Haplogroup G Project
                              DNA Results and Groupings

                                                                   The G2a3b1a1 Clade
                                                        Part 2 


All the men on this page are likely G2a3b1a1. This means they will be positive in special SNP testing for general G (M201) and G2 (P287) and G2a (P15) and for G2a3 (U8 or S126 or L30) and for G2a3b (L141) and for G2a3b1 (P303).  Persons from this clade were also postive for U1 (G2a3b1a), as well as positive for U13 or L13 or S131 (G2a3b1a1)  The other members of this clade below with more than 12 markers available to allow confirmation of their membership in the clade will have the same SNP test results.  Recently four G2a3b1a1 men here (Beiler, Christy, Frederick and Young) were found positive for a new SNP designated L78.  This is apparently not found outside the G2a3b1a1 group, but whether it has the same coverage as L13 or represents a new G2a3b1a1 subgroup is unclear because more men within G2a3b1a1 need to be tested to find if some G2a3b1a1 men are negative. 

Slowly mutating markers are most useful in identifying subgroups within a clade when there are no more subcategories that can be identified by special SNP testing. The first few subclades listed below do share changes to slowly mutating markers.

The close relatedness of persons within the subclades shown is confirmed by special DNA software (Fluxus) using the 67-markers samples available.

While the remaining subclades lack an oddity at a slow marker, the Fluxus software suggests a clustering of the men shown in these subclades. And there are some characteristic marker combinations. These subclades that rely on combinations of marker values are not precisely defined, and it is probable that a few other persons should be listed with them. 

For information on what is known of the origins of the L13+ group and migrations and time relationships to other G groupings link to the migration-time page

The research study listed below is S.M. Adams et al., "The Genetic Legacy of Religious Diversity and Intolerance: Paternal Lineages of Christians, Jews and Muslims in the Iberian Peninsula," American Journal of Human Genetics , Dec 2008, vol 83(6), pp 725-36.   Research Study2 is F. Alshamali, "Local Population Structure in Arabian Peninsula Revealed by Y-STR Diversity," Human Heredity , 2009, vol. 68(1), pp 44-54.    Research Study3 is Daniel Vanek et al., "Kinship and Y-Chromosome Analysis of 7th Century Human Remains: Novel DNA Extraction and Typing Procedure for Ancient Material,"Croatia Medical Journal, 2009, vol 50(3), pp 286-95.  The fragmentary results from this important sample are probably closest to Brabec among today's men, but it is actually unlikely that Brabec's ancestor would have been an exact match to him 1300 yrs earlier.  This German skeleton is conceivably also possibly a member of the DYS568=9 group rather than the group on this page. 

This latter sample has such potential to explain origins because it is over 1300 yrs old.  However, it is just another mystery at present. 

One can find additional G2a3b1a1 samples in the Sorenson DNA database under the surnames of Bischoff, Hubert, Peloni, Schueler, Beiler, Dobson and Nead.

In the YHRD database, those men below with 11,14 for the DYS385 marker match 9 of 9 markers with a man in Riga, Latvia.   For the most common values among the DYS385= 12,14 men below exact 9 marker matches are found in Chemnitz, Leizpig, Magdeburg, Munich, Stuttgart, Cologne, Freiburg, Rostock, Dresden and Halle in Germany; Central Bohemia, Zim, Pardubice, Moravia-Silesia and Pizen in the Czech Republic; Latium, Ligoria and Sicily in Italy; Oberoesterich and Graz in Austria; Brussels, Belgium; Oslo, Norway; Corund, Romania (Szekely); Szczecu, Gdansk, Warsaw and s.e. Poland; Hungary and Portugal.  It is likely because of the odd combination of values that these YHRD men are G2a3b1a1.

The Cestari sample at the bottom does not cluster with the other men, but in the phylogenetic network it is along the base of the group's branch.  It is possibly a U1+ only sample (G2a3b1a)

A G2a3b1a1 study group exists for sharing Y-DNA research and family histories for the purpose of developing a timeline perspective of their heritage. Contact John Young for more information.

Recommended additional deep ancestry testing for men here with the interest and funds for this:

Upgrading to 67 markers for deep ancestry purposes can be useful in helping to better establish
relationships and time calculations to a common ancestor.  While the first 37 markers have proven useful
in categorizing some men below, only in one group have markers 38-67 been helpful.  Having persons
here upgrade to 67 markers is probably not a priority because we have quite a number of samples at present.
However, any aditional 67-marker samples are welcome additions to the phylogenetic network and may be
very useful in surname projects.

All tested persons in the L13+ group have tested positive for the P303 SNP which characterizes G2a3b.
But confirmation of positivity for P303's subgroup L13 is still needed for some men below
because the boundaries of L13 are not firmly defined.  It is possible that one can be genetically
close to some men below who are confimed L13+ and still not be L13+.  In particular we do not know the
boundaries for the intermediate SNP U1, and some men below may be U1+ and U13-. Additional L13 testing
would eliminate this fuzzy area in our data.  L13 is part of what is called the deep clade SNP test found in the
haplotree section of the individual Family Tree DNA results page.   Only one person from a surname group
needs to test for L13 as everyone else in the surname project will have the same findings.   U1 is  available
at Family Tree DNA on one's results page.  Choose Order Tests and then select Advanced Tests.  U1 is
located near the top of the SNP lists.

It would be particularly helpful if additional persons here would test for the L78 to define whether it represents
a new subgroup.  L78 is available on one's results page at Family Tree DNA.  Choose Order Tests and then
select Advances Tests.  L78 is located near the top of the SNP listing and sells for $29US.
  

Results  

5. Anglo-Germanic subclade (more)   

                                                                                                                                     Marker designations in blue

Kit No.	Surname	Ancestral.origin	Haplo Code	YSearch Link	393	390	19 (394)	391	385 a	385 b	426	388	439	389 i	392	389 ii	458	459 a	459 b	455	454	447	437	448	449	464 a	464 b	464 c	464 d	464 e	464 f	460	GATA H4	YCA IIa	YCA IIb	456	607	576	570	CDY a	CDY b	442	438	531	578	395 S1a	395 S1b	590	537	641	472	406 S1	511	425	413 a	413 b	557	594	436	490	534	450	444	481	520	446	617	568	487	572	640	492	565	441	461	463	445	452	YGATA A10	YGATA H4.1	462	GGAAT 1807	635
80085	Kasnick*	Poland	GENL	JTHF8	14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	28
N19635	Frimmer*	Hungary	X		14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	29
69805	Johnson*	ConnecticutUSA	X	BTDBM	14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	29
N25258	Schaller*	PennyslvaniaUSA	X	A7DMH	14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	29
120575	Lowry/Grissom*		X	SGCBK	14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	29	19	9	9	11	11	22	16	20	27	12	14	14	14			11	10	19	20	15	13	17	17	36	41	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	13	11	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	17	8	12	21	22	16	14	11	13	10	11	11	11
N55001	Gambale*	Italy	X		14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	29
N72198	Carter*		LOTS		14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	29
	Geisler*	CzechRep	?	YX7DJ	14	22	15	10	12	14			12	12	11	29							16																				10
	Riedl*	CzechRep	?	DPVPX	14	22	15	10	12	14			12	12	11	29							16																				10
64542	Rummler*	Germany	X	4C5S3	14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	29
N70686	Gabel*	Germany	X		14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	29
N34543	Beno	France	X	K6W66	14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	29	20	9	9	11	11	22	16	20	27	12	14	14	14			11	10	19	20	15	13	19	17	36	40	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	12	11	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	17	8	12	21	22	16	14	11	13	10	11	11	11
N45696	Beno	France	PART	JRMPR	14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	29	20	9	9	11	11	22	16	20	27	12	14	14	14			11	10	19	20	15	13	19	17	36	40	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	12	11	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	17	8	12	21	22	16	14	11	13	10	11	11	11
101993	Ford	LincolnshEngl	PART	G3EWW	14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	29	18	9	9	11	11	22	16	21	28	12	14	14	14			11	10	19	20	15	13	19	17	37	39	12	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	13	11	14	22	23	14	10	12	12	16	8	12	21	23	15	14	11	13	10	11	11	11
	Thomas	TennesseeUSA	?	3W49J	14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	29	20	9	9	11	11	22	16	21	27	12	14	14	14
N3121	Bridenbecker	France/Germ.	X	BNRRD	14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	29	18	9	9	11	11	22	16	20	27	12	14	14	14
N43641	Van Ert	Holland	LOTS	8KTSR	13	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	20	27	12	14	14	14			12	10	19	20	15	13	18	17	38	40	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	12	11	14	22	24	14	10	12	12	16	8	12	22	22	17	14	11	13	10	11	11	11
27630	Vaillant/Veneziano	Italy	LOTS	XSA5A	14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	28	19	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	27	12	14	14	14			10	10	19	20	15	13	17	18	38	42	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	12	10	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	19	8	12	21	22	17	14	11	14	10	12	11	11
	Hagen	PennsylvaniaUSA	?	A56QU	14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	29	21	9	9	11	11	22	16	20	27	12	14	14	14			11	10	19	20	15	13	17	17	37	40	11	10
84166	Wirtz		X		14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	29	21	9	9	11	11	22	16	20	27	12	14	14	14			12	10	19	20	15	13	17	17	36	41	11	10
80611	Hoffman		X	CRWYP	14	22	15	10	11	14	11	12	12	12	11	29	20	9	9	11	11	22	16	20	27	12	14	14	14			10	10	19	20	15	13	17	18	36	39	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	12	12	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	17	8	12	21	22	16	14	11	13	10	11	11	11
123705	Hoffman	PennsylvaniaUSA	X	N254Q	14	22	15	10	11	14	11	12	12	12	11	29	20	9	9	11	11	22	16	20	27	12	14	14	14			10	10	19	20	15	13	17	18	36	39	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	12	12	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	17	8	12	21	22	16	14	11	13	10	11	11	11
42218	Bricker*		X		14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	11	12	11	29
	Brookman/Brukmann	Germany	?	FV8PM	14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	11	12	11	29	20	9	9	11	11	21	16	20	27	12	12	14	14			11	10	19	20	15	13	17	17	36	39	11	10
N64444	Endress*	Germany	PART	XE5FF	14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	11	12	11	29
N30522	Unrine	Germany	LOTS	WRNAE	14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	29	19	9	9	11	11	22	16	20	27	12	14	14	14			11	10	19	20	15	12	18	17	36	40	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	12	11	8	12	12	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	16	8	12	21	20	16	14	11	13	10	11	11	11
105728	Guenther	Germany	SOME	9QXRN	14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	13	12	11	29	19	9	9	11	11	22	16	20	27	12	14	14	14			10	10	19	20	15	13	17	17	36	39	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	11	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	17	8	12	21	22	16	14	11	13	10	11	11	11
E2107	Kugel		X		14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	29	19	9	9	11	11	22	16	20	27	12	14	14	14			12	11	19	20	15	13	17	16	36	40	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	11	14	21	22	14	10	12	12	16	8	12	21	22	16	14	11	13	10	11	11	11
85905	Werner	Germany	LOTS	DP55K	14	22	15	10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	29	18	9	9	11	11	22	16	20	28	12	14	14	14			11	10	19	20	15	13	17	17	36	39	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	12	12	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	17	8	13	21	22	15	14	11	13	10	11	11	11
N10166	Voegele*		PART		14	22	15	10	11	15	11	12	13	12	11	29
	Renda	Italy	?	X2KEG	14	22		10	12	14	11	12	12	12	11	28	17			11	11	23		21	27	12	14	14	14			14	11	19	20								10																															16	11	22