Haplogroup G Project
                              DNA Results and Groupings

                                                     G2a3b1 individuals (DYS388=13) 
                                           on genetic branch 14F

The genetic branch 14F listed here is a name chosen to represent samples found along a branch of
a phylogenetic tree as created by special DNA software from Fluxus.  The relationships shown on
the Fluxus network diagram are based on the various marker values of 67-marker samples with special
weighting given to the slower-mutating markers.  Those persons in branch 14F will have unusually close
relationships with persons from other branches designated as 14, such as 14A.  The availability of 
additional samples may require renaming the branches, but persons closely related here will likely continue
clustering in future versions of the phylogenetic diagram.   Less closely related persons will tend to
move, and thus some caution has to be used in thinking of the branch listed here as anything more than
a helpful, but imperfect, way to try to subgroup G2a3b1 persons.  Inclusion of samples with less than
67 markers on this page is based partially on guesswork, especially with regard to 12-marker samples.

The G2a3b1 status means the men will be positive in special SNP testing for general G (M201)
and G2 (P287) and G2a (P15) and for G2a3 (U8 or S126 or L30) and for G2a3b (L141) and for
G2a3b1 (P303)

The status of the men here with regard to the three subgroups of G2a3b1 is mixed.  Earlier testing showed
that men within the DYS388= 13group are negative for U1 (G2a3b1a)  It is unknown how many men on this
page are positive for L42 (G2a3b1b) or for  L139 (G2a3b1c).  Being negative for all three subgroups would
constitute a group all to itself and designated as G2a3b1*.  One man below (Desmond) was found negative
for L42.

For information on what is known of the origins of the overall DYS388=13 group and migrations and time
relationships to other G groupings link to the migration-time page

The Sowers sample seems to be a DYS388=13 person who has reverted to the ancestral 12.   His shared
common ancestor seems one of the most distant in time.  Additional markers from this sample would be
needed to confirm whether he should be listed here.   

Although the bulk of men here are divided into two separate subgroups based on their DYS393 value, this
is not a good marker to use for subgrouping.  Thus the men in these two subgroups may overlap. 
Occasionally this marker will have two different values even within a surname grouping.

The YHRD database is a public database of samples collected from around the world as submitted by  
scientists.  When the DYS426 marker value is italicized, it is only predicted, but this value is the same in
virtually all G persons.

For most of the men below with values of 14,15 for DYS385 & DYS393=14, there are many matches in the
YHRD database.  They are too many to list here in detail.  They are from Marche (3), Ravenna (2) and
Sicily in Italy; from Halle, Magdeburg, Chemnitz, Leipzig and Magdeburg in Germany; from S. Bohemia
and central Bohemia in Czech Rep.(2); from Hungary; from Bratislava, Slovakia; from Gdansk, Lublin,
Wroclaw and Bydgoszcz in Poland; from Miercurea Ciuc (Szekely) in Romania; from Salzburg and 
Oberostereich in Austria(2); from Novi Sad in Serbia; from Finland; from central Norway (2);  from Lyon
in France (2); from Andalucia/Extramadura, Cordoba, Barcelona, Valencia and Ibiza Island (Balearics)(2) in
Spain; from Sfax in Tunisia; from Creoles(5) and a Kaf in Reunion; from African ancestry persons in
Missouri & Illinois USA and London, England (2); and from Digora, N. Ossetia, Russia (2).  Because
DYS388 was not tested, it cannot be ruled out that some of these samples belong to DYS388=12
groups, such as the DYS568= 9 group.


Recommended additional deep ancestry testing for men here with the interest and funds for this:

Upgrading to 67 markers for deep ancestry purposes can be useful in helping to better establish
relationships and time calculations to a common ancestor.  However, we now have a large number of
DYS388=13 samples, and the full 67 markers seem to have no specific use for them for deep
ancestry subgrouping here.  However, the additional markers may be useful within a surname project in
establishing family branches.  Also by exception there is need for Italian and Hispanic men to test
67 markers in order to calculate how long ago their ancestors split from northern European G men.

By way of exception there are several men on this page who have features of the DYS594=11 subgroup
of DYS388=13.  Instead of ordering the full 67 markers, they may want to consider the less expensive
alternative of ordering the single marker DYS594.  This can be found on Family Tree DNA's individual
results page in the Order Tests section.  It will be found there as an advanced test.  Griffith, Purdon,
Legeer, Ogg, and Reed would be candidates for this.

All tested persons in the DYS388=13 group have tested positive for the P303 SNP which characterizes G2a3b1.
The outcome of such testing for all the samples listed below is very predictable as P303+ and testing, in my
opinion, unnecessary.   SNP testing can be ordered as what is called the deep clade SNP test in the
haplotree section of the individual Family Tree DNA results page.  P303 (G2a3b1) is included in this deep
clade test. 

There is no hint that the persons on this page are positive for U1, which characterizes a subgroup
of P303 (G2a3b1a).   In earlier testing DYS388=13 samples are negative for U1.  Little is known of the
coverage of the men on this page for L42 (G2a3b1b).   It is desirable that more persons on
on this page should test for it.    Little is known of the coverage of L139 (G2a3b1c) and confirmation that it
occurs within DYS388=13 persons would be desirable before additional persons test for this. These SNPs can
be ordered on the Family Tree DNA results page in the Order Tests section as an advanced test.  They will be
found at the top of the SNP list for $29US each.  These tests will eventually be added to the G deep clade test.  
Only one person from a surname group needs to test for SNPs as everyone else in the surname group will have
the same findings.
  



Results

One subgroup

                                                                                                                                     Marker designations in blue

Kit No. Surname Ancestral.origin
 
Haplo
Code
 
YSearch
Link
393 390 19
(394)
391 385
a
385
b
426 388 439 389
i
392 389
ii
458 459
a
459
b
455 454 447 437 448 449 464
a
464
b
464
c
464
d
464
e
464
f
460 GATA
H4
YCA
IIa
YCA
IIb
456 607 576 570 CDY
a
CDY
b
442 438 531 578 395
S1a
395
S1b
590 537 641 472 406
S1
511 425 413
a
413
b
557 594 436 490 534 450 444 481 520 446 617 568 487 572 640 492 565 441 461 463 445 452 YGATA
A10
YGATA
H4.1
462 GGAAT
1807
635
N37299
Desmond
Switzerland
SOME
UCJHU
14 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 12 11 29 17 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 31 12 13 13 16 10 10 20 20 15 13 14 18 37 39 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 23 14 10 12 12 15 8 13 22 22 19 12 12 13 11 11 11 12
N19404
Griffith
VirginiaUSA
GENL
U7WUF
14 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 12 11 29 17 9 9 11 11 24 16 21 30 13 13 14 14 10 11 20 20 14 13 15 18 36 37 11 10
87680
Griffith
VirginiaUSA
GENL
PMV8D 
14 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 12 11 29 17 9 9 11 11 24 16 21 30 13 13 14 14 10 11 20 20 14 13 15 18 36 37 11 10
65136
Griffith
 
GENL
 
14 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 12 11 29
N9596
Purdon*
 
GENL
BFTQF
14 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 12 11 29
N31247
Legeer*
 
GENL
 
14 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 12 11 29
 
YHRDsample*
 RavennaItaly
 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 12 12 11 29 16 15 21 16 10 23
 
YHRDsample*
Tunisia
X
 
14 22 15 10 14 15 11 15 12 11 29 `6 10
N42186
Ogg*
Scotland
GENL
RS75P
14 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 12 11 29
N26560
Ogg*
Scotland
GENL
SSYCW
14 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 12 11 29
129768
Reed
NewYorkUSA
GENL
14 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 12 11 29 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 31 12 13 13 14 10 10 20 20 15 13 14 18 37 37 11 10
731
Hildreth
DurhamEngland
PART
6JRKH
14 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 30 12 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 15 18 37 40 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 20 23 14 10 12 12 15 8 13 22 22 19 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
910
Hildreth
DurhamEngland 
PART
YJ8GS
14 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 30 12 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 15 18 38 41 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 20 23 14 10 12 12 15 8 13 21 22 19 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
135370
Hildreth
NewYorkUSA
GENL
PTBN7
14 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 30 12 13 13 13 14 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 15 18 37 40 11 10
4134
Hildreth
 
GENL
 
14 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 30 12 13 13 14 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 15 18 36 41 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 20 23 14 10 12 12 15 8 13 21 22 19 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
45634
Hildreth
 
X
BEVVQ 14 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 28
35259
Hildreth
 
PART
 
14 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 30 12 13 13 14 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 15 18 38 40 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 20 23 14 10 12 12 15 8 13 23 22 19 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
2YHRD
samples*
ChemnitzGerm
X
14 22 15 9 14 14 11 13 11 30
37056
Hosey
Maryland USA
GENL
6VRHU
14 22 15 9 14 14 11 13 11 13 11 30 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 22 31 12 13 13 14
67161
Jackson
 
X
 
14 22 15 9 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 30 17 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 31 13 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 15 13 17 17 36 37 11 10
35877
Cope
Kentucky USA
GENL
SYVYT
14 22 15 9 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 29 19 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 31 13 13 13 14
N22420
Smith
OntarioCanada
PART
W87UX
14 22 15 9 14 14 11 13 11 12 10 30 17 9 9 11 11 23 17 21 31 13 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 15 13 17 17 36 38 11 10
E2105
Retzlaff
 
SOME
XQKGQ
14 22 15 9 14 16 11 13 11 13 10 30 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 30 12 13 13 14 9 11 20 20 15 13 16 18 37 40 11 10
24390
Sowers
MarylandUSA
GENL
MX9YQ
14 22 15 10 15 15 11 12 11 13 11 28 14 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 31 12 13 13 14
N20357
Trometer*
 
PART
14 23 15 10 14 14 11 13 12 12 11 29
139100
Myers*
France
X
J4P5B
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 29
N26549
Myers*
 
X
 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 29
N48009
OsterwaldLenum*
Denmark
PART
14 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 13 11 28


  A subgroup with DYS393=13


                                                                                                                                     Marker designations in blue

Kit No. Surname Ancestral.origin
 
Haplo
Code
 
YSearch
Link
393 390 19
(394)
391 385
a
385
b
426 388 439 389
i
392 389
ii
458 459
a
459
b
455 454 447 437 448 449 464
a
464
b
464
c
464
d
464
e
464
f
460 GATA
H4
YCA
IIa
YCA
IIb
456 607 576 570 CDY
a
CDY
b
442 438 531 578 395
S1a
395
S1b
590 537 641 472 406
S1
511 425 413
a
413
b
557 594 436 490 534 450 444 481 520 446 617 568 487 572 640 492 565 441 461 463 445 452 YGATA
A10
YGATA
H4.1
462 GGAAT
1807
635
81974
Brace
  Barbados
FULL
KBFGT
13 22 15 9 14 15 11 13 12 12 11 29 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 29 12 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 15 17 36 37 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 12 21 22 17 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
45553
Hardaway
DorsetEngland
SOME
9F55X
13 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 29 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 29 12 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 15 18 38 40 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 12 11 -- 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 12 21 22 19 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
7921
Everett*
NewYorkUSA
PART
MSCTN
13 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 29
30235
Vezina*
France
PART
Y7QXJ
13 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 29
 
Baugh
Germany
?
YZPYY
13 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 29 17 9 9 11 11 23 16 20 35 12 13 13 14 10 10 20 20 15 13 15 18 36 36 11 10
76241
Perez*
PART
13 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 29
N61067
Bohne
Germany
PART
13 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 29 15 9 10 11 11 23 16 21 34 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 15 13 13 19 37 39 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 10 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 14 21 22 18 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
N12203
Kjelsen*
Denmark
GENL
J94A7
13 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 29
N9184
Morriss*
GENL
13 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 29
N11277
Tabain*
Australia
GENL
7N26K
13 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 29
20412
Macesich
Croatia
PART
6H2AM
13 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 12 11 30 16 8 9 11 11 23 16 21 29 13 13 13 14
N9779
Delichte
Belgium
GENL
SSQNC
13 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 12 12 11 29 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 30 12 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 16 13 14 17 36 37 12 10
N20421
Rosado*
 
PART
 
13 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 12 12 11 29
E5895
Ferrini*
Italy 
GENL
6JVXA 
13 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 12 12 11 29
 
Whitmore
StaffordshEngl
?
 CMUFB
13 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 12 12 11 29
N45445
Flick*
Germany 
GENL
MJXH6 
13 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 12 12 11 29
10427
Flick*
PennsylvanisUSA
X
RXAXG
13 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 12 12 11 29
N42543
Stucchi*
Italy 
GENL
 
13 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 12 12 11 29
48973
Vance
TennesseeUSA
GENL
HEFMW
13 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 22 15 21 29 11 13 13 14
N31327
Michelon
Italy
PART
GDGGD
13 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 33 12 13 13 14 14
82863
Pfeiffer
Germany
PART
13 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 20 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 31 12 13 13 14 11 12 20 20 15 13 17 19 36 38 12 11


Another subgroup

                                                                                                                                     Marker designations in blue

Kit No. Surname Ancestral.origin
 
Haplo
Code
 
YSearch
Link
393 390 19
(394)
391 385
a
385
b
426 388 439 389
i
392 389
ii
458 459
a
459
b
455 454 447 437 448 449 464
a
464
b
464
c
464
d
464
e
464
f
460 GATA
H4
YCA
IIa
YCA
IIb
456 607 576 570 CDY
a
CDY
b
442 438 531 578 395
S1a
395
S1b
590 537 641 472 406
S1
511 425 413
a
413
b
557 594 436 490 534 450 444 481 520 446 617 568 487 572 640 492 565 441 461 463 445 452 YGATA
A10
YGATA
H4.1
462 GGAAT
1807
635
 
Salvail
Italy
?
XG96E
13 22 16 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 29 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 30 13 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 16 13 14 18 35 40 11 10
33276
Stover
VirginiaUSA
PART
 M9FTJ
13 22 16 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 29 17 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 30 12 13 13 14 10 11 20 21 15 13 14 20 37 40 11 10
 
Linnstaedt
Germany
?
82TR5
13 22 16 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 29 17 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 30 12 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 15 18 34 39 11 10


Another subgroup


                                                                                                                                     Marker designations in blue

Kit No. Surname Ancestral.origin
 
Haplo
Code
 
YSearch
Link
393 390 19
(394)
391 385
a
385
b
426 388 439 389
i
392 389
ii
458 459
a
459
b
455 454 447 437 448 449 464
a
464
b
464
c
464
d
464
e
464
f
460 GATA
H4
YCA
IIa
YCA
IIb
456 607 576 570 CDY
a
CDY
b
442 438 531 578 395
S1a
395
S1b
590 537 641 472 406
S1
511 425 413
a
413
b
557 594 436 490 534 450 444 481 520 446 617 568 487 572 640 492 565 441 461 463 445 452 YGATA
A10
YGATA
H4.1
462 GGAAT
1807
635
80200
Elliott.
WarwickshEngland
PART
8EKMT
14 23 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 20 33 12 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 15 19 36 39 11 10
59391
Roeloffzen........
Netherlands
PART
CH5NQ
14 23 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 20 30 12 13 13 14 10 12 20 20 15 13 16 18 37 39 11 10 12 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 12 12 14 21 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 22 18 12 11 13 11 11 11 12


                             *An asterisk indicates the sample has too few markers for confirmation
                               that it should be placed on this page.


Haplogroup SNP Testing Codes
               Negative results not pertinent to the men here are not listed
X - not tested 
? - unclear what testing was or was not done
GENL - Was found M201+ ....this is only general G with no testing for any subgroups
PART - Was found P15+ (G2a) but never tested for any G2a subgroups pertinent to the men on this page
                                         such as  U8+ or S126+ or L30+ (G2a3) and P303 (G2a3b1) and its subgroup(s)
SOME - was found positive for  P15 (G2a) and for P303 (G2a3b1)
                             not tested for U8, S126 or L30 (G2a3) or for subgroups of G2a3b1
FULL - was found positive for  P15 (G2a) and for L30 (G2a3) and for P303 (G2a3b1)
                            

Link to Haplogroup G Tree Structure