Haplogroup G Project
                              DNA Results and Groupings

                                                     G2a3b1 individuals (DYS388=13) 
                                           on genetic branch 4A

The genetic branch 4A listed here is a name chosen to represent samples found along a branch of
a phylogenetic tree as created by special DNA software from Fluxus.  The relationships shown on
the Fluxus network diagram are based on the various marker values of 67-marker samples with special
weighting given to the slower-mutating markers.  Those persons in branch 4A will have unusually close
relationships with persons from other branches designated as 4, such as 4F.  The availability of 
additional samples may require renaming the branches, but persons closely related here will likely continue
clustering in future versions of the phylogenetic diagram.   Less closely related persons will tend to
move, and thus some caution has to be used in thinking of the branch listed here as anything more than
a helpful, but imperfect, way to try to subgroup G2a3b1 persons.  Inclusion of samples with less than
67 markers on this page is based partially on guesswork, especially with regard to 12-marker samples.

The G2a3b1 status means the men will be positive in special SNP testing for general G (M201)
and G2 (P287) and G2a (P15) and for G2a3 (U8 or S126 or L30) and for G2a3b (L141) and for
G2a3b1 (P303)

The status of the men here with regard to the three subgroups of G2a3b1 is mixed.  Earlier testing showed
that men within the DYS388= 13group are negative for U1 (G2a3b1a)  It is unknown how many men on this page
are positive for L42 (G2a3b1b) or for  L139 (G2a3b1c).  Being negative for all three subgroups would constitute
a group all to itself and designated as G2a3b1*.  One of the men here (Beyerle) was found negative for L42.

For information on what is known of the origins of the overall DYS388=13 group and migrations and time
relationships to other G groupings link to the migration-time page   

The YHRD database is a public database of samples collected from around the world as submitted by  
scientists.   There are matches in YHRD to the men below with DYS385=14,14 and DYS393 =
12,28.  Because DYS388 was not tested, it cannot be ruled out that some belong to a DYS388=12
group such as DYS568=9.  There are too many to list them individually here.  The matches are found from
Stuttgart, Cologne, Berlin and Munich in Germany; from Krusevo, Macedonia (Aromun); from Corund,
Romania (Szekely), from Pardubice, Czech Rep.; from Leiden, Netherlands, from Madridm Santiago de
Compostela and Ibiza Island (Balearics)(5) in Spain; from Sicily (3); from Rio Negro, Chubut and Buenos Aires
in Argentina and from an Hispanic in Texas, USA.  Because of the small population, the five men in Ibiza
Island representative possibly 5% of the population, by far the largest concentration of this particular set of
marker values anywhere in the world.


Recommended additional deep ancestry testing for men here with the interest and funds for this:

Upgrading to 67 markers for deep ancestry purposes can be useful in helping to better establish
relationships and time calculations to a common ancestor.  However, we now have a large number of
DYS388=13 samples, and the full 67 markers seem to have no specific use for them for deep
ancestry subgrouping here.  However, the additional markers may be useful within a surname project in
establishing family branches.  By way of additional exception, more 67-marker Italian and Hispanic samples are
needed to calculate when their ancestors split from G persons in northern Europe.

All tested persons in the DYS388=13 group have tested positive for the P303 SNP which characterizes G2a3b1.
The outcome of such testing for all the samples listed below is very predictable as P303+ and testing, in my
opinion, unnecessary.   SNP testing can be ordered as what is called the deep clade SNP test in the
haplotree section of the individual Family Tree DNA results page.  P303 (G2a3b1) is included in this deep
clade test. 

There is no hint that the persons on this page are positive for U1, which characterizes a subgroup
of P303 (G2a3b1a).   In earlier testing DYS388=13 samples are negative for U1.  Little is known of the
coverage of the men on this page for L42 (G2a3b1b).   It is desirable that more persons on
on this page should test for it.    Little is known of the coverage of L139 (G2a3b1c) and confirmation that it
occurs within DYS388=13 persons would be desirable before additional persons test for this. These SNPs can
be ordered on the Family Tree DNA results page in the Order Tests section as an advanced test.  They will be
found at the top of the SNP list for $29US each.  These tests will eventually be added to the G deep clade test.  
Only one person from a surname group needs to test for SNPs as everyone else in the surname group will have
the same findings.
  



Results

One subgroup



                                                                                                                                     Marker designations in blue

Kit No. Surname Ancestral.origin
 
Haplo
Code
 
YSearch
Link
393 390 19
(394)
391 385
a
385
b
426 388 439 389
i
392 389
ii
458 459
a
459
b
455 454 447 437 448 449 464
a
464
b
464
c
464
d
464
e
464
f
460 GATA
H4
YCA
IIa
YCA
IIb
456 607 576 570 CDY
a
CDY
b
442 438 531 578 395
S1a
395
S1b
590 537 641 472 406
S1
511 425 413
a
413
b
557 594 436 490 534 450 444 481 520 446 617 568 487 572 640 492 565 441 461 463 445 452 YGATA
A10
YGATA
H4.1
462 GGAAT
1807
635
10703
O'Shea
 
X
 
14 22 16 11 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 30 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 32 13 13 13 14
51399
Bryant*
England
GENL
ETK6F
14 22 16 11 15 15 11 13 11 12 11 30 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 31 13 13 13 14
34054
Cresswell*
MichiganUSA
GENL
AM4RD
14 22 16 11 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 29
13202
Gordon
GENL
2NH62
14 22 16 11 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 29 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 32 12 13 14 14
13202
Hegie
Switzerland
GENL
JR6DU
14 22 16 11 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 17 9 9 11 11 23 15 21 31 12 13 13 14 11 11 19 20 15 12 17 17 36 37 11 10
131815
Hegy
Switzerland
X
 
14 22 16 11 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 17 9 9 11 11 23 15 21 32 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 15 12 17 18 37 37 11 10
94910
Bailey
NewYorkUSA
X
9G45D
14 22 16 11 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 29 16 9 9 11 11 23 15 21 32 13 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 13 17 38 39 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 21 22 15 10 12 12 12 8 12 21 22 17 12 11 13 10 11 11 12
115575
Bailey
VirginiaUSA
X
P5E8J
14 22 16 11 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 30 16 9 9 11 11 23 15 21 32 13 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 13 18 37 39 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 21 22 14 10 12 12 12 8 12 21 22 17 12 11 13 10 11 11 12


A second subgroup



                                                                                                                                     Marker designations in blue

Kit No. Surname Ancestral.origin
 
Haplo
Code
 
YSearch
Link
393 390 19
(394)
391 385
a
385
b
426 388 439 389
i
392 389
ii
458 459
a
459
b
455 454 447 437 448 449 464
a
464
b
464
c
464
d
464
e
464
f
460 GATA
H4
YCA
IIa
YCA
IIb
456 607 576 570 CDY
a
CDY
b
442 438 531 578 395
S1a
395
S1b
590 537 641 472 406
S1
511 425 413
a
413
b
557 594 436 490 534 450 444 481 520 446 617 568 487 572 640 492 565 441 461 463 445 452 YGATA
A10
YGATA
H4.1
462 GGAAT
1807
635
N4075
Tink*
 
GENL
QN237
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28
E6428
DellaGiustina*
 
GENL
WFAWQ
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28
M47006
Son*
VirginiaUSA
GENL
NTK5T
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28
N60739
Tuzzolino*
Italy 
GENL
 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28
N71675
Ullrich*
CzechRep 
GENL
2TX28
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28
N60981
LeRoux
France 
PART
 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28
109084
LeRoux
France 
PART
5RQKX
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 17 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 31 12 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 15 14 14 19 38 40 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 10 14 21 22 14 10 12 12 13 8 13 22 22 18 12 11 14 11 11 11 12
28297
Morgan*
VirginiaUSA
GENL
JYTBK
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28
N11349
Cordey*
Switzerland
GENL
 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28
N13990
Boyce*
Wales
GENL
 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28
N5926
Martin*
VirginiaUSA
GENL
 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28
E2345
Kury
Switzerland
GENL
 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 15 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 32 12 13 13 14 11 10 20 20 16 13 15 20 35 36 11 10
94963
Jester
Scotland
GENL
WFA4R 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 18 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 30 12 13 13 13 10 11 20 20 15 13 14 17 37 38 11 10
67777
Alford
 
GENL
 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 18 9 9 11 11 22 16 21 30 12 13 13 13 10 11 20 20 15 13 14 17 37 38 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 12 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 22 18 12 11 13 11 11 10 12
33623
Canter
VirginiaUSA
SOME
ECFXY
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 21 31 12 13 13 14 11 11 19 20 15 13 15 17 39 39 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 9 13 21 22 18 12 11 13 10 11 11 12
52293
Cantor
 
GENL
364BG
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 21 31 12 13 13 14 11 11 19 20 15 13 15 17 39 39 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 9 13 21 22 18 12 11 13 10 11 11 12
62139
Canter
MarylandUSA 
GENL
YGSVJ
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 21 30 12 13 13 14 11 11 19 20 15 13 15 17 39 39 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 9 13 21 22 18 12 11 13 10 11 11 12
58867
Canter
 
GENL
APDER
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 21 31 12 13 13 14 11 11 19 20 15 13 15 17 37 39 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 9 13 21 22 18 12 11 13 10 11 11 12
150337
Canter
 
X
 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 21 31 12 13 13 14 11 11 19 20 15 13 15 17 39 39 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 10 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 9 13 21 22 18 12 11 13 10 11 11 12
68820
Canter
 
GENL
XSEA3
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 21 31 12 13 13 14 11 11 19 20 15 13 15 17 38 39 11 10
 
Rosson
 
?
9GTFN
13 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 29 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 21 31 12 13 13 14 12 11 19 20 15 13 15 17 36 39 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 9 13 21 22 19 12 11 13 10 11 11 12
132020
Emmendorfer
MissouriUSA 
GENL
9G2AU
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 21 31 12 13 13 14 11 11 19 20 15 13 15 17 39 39 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 15 9 13 21 22 18 12 11 13 10 11 11 12
N58083
Boosey
 
GENL
 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 22 16 21 31 12 12 13 14 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 14 17 37 39 11 10 11 8 15 15 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 22 22 18 12 11 13 10 11 11 12
N12938
Beyerle
Germany
SOME
M8N52
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 12 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 20 31 12 13 13 14 10 10 20 20 15 13 14 19 38 40 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 13 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 22 18 12 11 13 10 11 11 12
N41971
Beyerle
Germany
X
79XV5 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 12 12 11 28


A third subgroup



                                                                                                                                     Marker designations in blue

Kit No. Surname Ancestral.origin
 
Haplo
Code
 
YSearch
Link
393 390 19
(394)
391 385
a
385
b
426 388 439 389
i
392 389
ii
458 459
a
459
b
455 454 447 437 448 449 464
a
464
b
464
c
464
d
464
e
464
f
460 GATA
H4
YCA
IIa
YCA
IIb
456 607 576 570 CDY
a
CDY
b
442 438 531 578 395
S1a
395
S1b
590 537 641 472 406
S1
511 425 413
a
413
b
557 594 436 490 534 450 444 481 520 446 617 568 487 572 640 492 565 441 461 463 445 452 YGATA
A10
YGATA
H4.1
462 GGAAT
1807
635
66305
Schieffelin
Germany
SOME
4CCGH
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 13 12 30 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 30 12 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 16 14 14 17 38 42 11 10 12 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 16 8 13 21 22 19 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
N14250
Morales*
PuertoRico
PART
6BADQ
14 22 16 10 14 14 11 13 11 13 12 30
E8657
Thebaudeau*
France
GENL
Z6KRB 14 22 16 10 14 14 11 13 11 13 12 30
N43055
Billetdeux
QuebecCanada 
X
U2QGE 
14 21 15 10 14 14 11 13 12 12 11 30
151519
MonteiroDias
Portugal 
GENL
BP6NE
14 21 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 29 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 31 12 12 13 13 14 11 12 20 20 15 13 14 18 35 41 11 10


A fourth subgroup



                                                                                                                                     Marker designations in blue

Kit No. Surname Ancestral.origin
 
Haplo
Code
 
YSearch
Link
393 390 19
(394)
391 385
a
385
b
426 388 439 389
i
392 389
ii
458 459
a
459
b
455 454 447 437 448 449 464
a
464
b
464
c
464
d
464
e
464
f
460 GATA
H4
YCA
IIa
YCA
IIb
456 607 576 570 CDY
a
CDY
b
442 438 531 578 395
S1a
395
S1b
590 537 641 472 406
S1
511 425 413
a
413
b
557 594 436 490 534 450 444 481 520 446 617 568 487 572 640 492 565 441 461 463 445 452 YGATA
A10
YGATA
H4.1
462 GGAAT
1807
635
110957
Heinzmann
Germany 
GENL
6M4U3 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 12 13 11 30 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 21 32 12 13 13 14 10 11 18 20 15 14 14 17 35 40 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 15 8 13 21 22 18 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
48024
Burton
NJerseyUSA
GENL
QYEPU
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 13 11 29 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 21 33 12 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 14 18 35 38 11 10



         * an asterisk indicates not enough markers are available
            to determine if the sample should be placed on this page.



Haplogroup SNP Testing Codes
                 Negative results not pertinent to the group here are not listed
X - not tested 
? - unclear what testing was or was not done
GENL - Was found M201+ ....this is only general G with no testing for any subgroups
PART - Was found P15+ (G2a) but never tested for any G2a subgroups pertinent to the men on this page
                                         such as  U8+ or S126+ or L30+ (G2a3) and P303 (G2a3b1) and its subgroup(s)
SOME - was found positive for  P15 (G2a) and for P303 (G2a3b1)
                             not tested for U8, S126 or L30 (G2a3) or for subgroups of G2a3b1

Link to Haplogroup G Tree Structure