Details about the G2a3 (U8*) mostly Ashkenazi
Jewish clade of central and northeastern Europe

                       link here to all persons listed here in Y-Se arch             link here to the lab results in Haplo G Project
                       link here to the Sorenson Y-DNA database                link here to YHRD database
                                 [search for surname using FTDNA values]

Explanation of this clade
Please note that all references to the old terminology for this group have been changed here to
say G2a. Some other locations on the Internet may still use the old term, G2.

One G2a member of this clade was found to be positive for the U8 mutation (Garvey project)
but negative for U1, U13 and U16. It is presumed that the other members of the clade are in this
same category, thus U8* These findings are new and have not yet been given a G classificationm but
logically would be G2a3*.

As with the mostly Ashkenazi G2c clade, there is considerable geographical intermixing seen here.
One theory is that travel to distant locations to attend Yeshiva schools may have caused this
feature.

Since no member of this clade has been found outside central and northeastern Europe,
the ancestor may have come directly from the peoples of northeastern Europe instead
of the Middle East.

Of use in subdividing this clade are the slowly mutating markers. Since the men
in the clade are relatively recently related within the overall G population, the chances of one of the
slower mutating markers reverting twice to another value within the time period of the existence
of this clade are rather slim.

From a mutation in DYS437 two subgroups resulted:
Those with value of 17 form the 1st subgroup -- Beshert, Toren, Bograchev, and Shanas
Those with the value of 16 belong to the other subgroup..

This subgrouping with specific marker values is actually more reliable than the diagram
above in showing relationships. In the next version of this diagram, I will overweight this marker
so that the relationships are more clearly shown.

Presently only (1) 67-marker sample is available. Additional subgroups may be identified by
slow-marker differences within the additional markers, but multiple samples are needed to
arrive at any conclusions.

Link here to some information contributed by Ted Kandell on Jewish name changes

Persons probably belonging to this clade     September 2007 update
............confirmed members with 37 markers listed on the graph above are in bold
.....................those with fewer than 37 markers who only seem to belong to the clade are in plain type

who list origins in Russia
....some locations may actually now be in independent countries due to the Soviet break-up.

Rein 7BSGS in Y-Search. Apparently not in G Project. Status for testing for G not certain.

Dumes/Dumesh 2GHMB in Y-Search. Apparently not in G Project. Status for testing for G not certain.

Kossman Apparently not in Y-Search. 71674 in G Project. Only predicted as G.
Spiegel. Apparently not in Y-Search. N25730 in G Project. Only predicted as G.

Bograchev listed in Sorenson database. Has not been tested for G.

who list origins in Ukraine

Bandarovsky  FD9XQ in Y-Search.  Apparently not in G Project. Status for testing for G not certain.

Leder/Goldstein (Golds # 2) RE9MH in Y-Search. 79704 in G Project. Only predicted as G.
Shanas CPB2K in Y-Search. 72433 in G Project. Is only predicted to be G2a.   Lists origins in the Ukraine.
              Not depicted on chart by accident, but branches off of Klein # 2 and Toren.
Toren 8XPE6 in Y-Search. 31870 in G Project.   Confirmed as G2a by lab. Unclear if tested further.

who list origins in Lithuania

Arenson/Novosedz GV25P in Y-Search.  Apparently not in G Project. Status for testing for G not certain.
Goldstone/Genovich (Golds # 1) N48TP in Y-Search.   8057 in G Project. Only predicted as G.

who list origins in Poland

Ader # 1 CBJUR in Y-Search. 64681 in G Project. Confirmed by lab as G2a but unclear if tested
                 further.
Wetcher  E6RXA in Y-Search.  N24638 in G Project. Only predicted as G.

who list origins in Belarus

Feinstein  PVAJS in Y-Search.  N8749 in G Project.  Confirmed as G2a (P15+) and negative for
                               G2a1 and G2a2 by lab.
                               Y-142 in Garvey SNP project... found also to be U8+ but not U16, U13 or U1.. thus U8*

Polonovski QJN2N in Y-Search. 1307 in G Project. Only predicted as G2a.
Epstein/Polonovsky TDWXR in Y-Search.  55128 in G Project. Confirmed by lab as G2a but negative
                              G2a1 and G2a2.
Harris/Osherowitz XB9ES in Y-Search. Apparently not in G Project. Status for testing for G not certain.
             [37 markers available after diagram above constructed]

who list origins in Hungary

Gonda # 1 4TPPS in Y-Search. Apparently not in G Project. Unclear whether predicted or confirmed G.
                He lacks one typical value of this clade in his 12 markers, but he seems, nevertheless, to
                belong to the clade. Lists origins in Austro-Hungarian Empire.
Gonda # 2 Y7JZQ in Y-Search. Apparently not in G project. Same 12-marker values as Gonda # 1.
Klein # 2    S4S86 in Y-Search. 47976 in G project. Confirmed only as G (M201+) by lab.
Klein # 1 HVQZR in Y-Search. Apparently not in G Project. Status for testing for G not certain.
               Has marker values very similar to Klein # 2. Also has 37 markers, but not used on chart above.
Pavliscak Listed in Sorenson database. Not tested for G status.
Farkas Apparently not in Y-search. 61326 in G Project. Lab makes no prediction as to G status.
Friedman # 2 FMUGC in Y-search. Apparently not in G Project. Unclear whether confirmed or
               predicted as G. One of his markers is not typical of the clade, but he seems, nevertheless, to
               belong to it. Additional markers would clarify this.

who list origins in Slovakia

Pavliscak V48S3 in Y-Search. Apparently not in G Project. Status for testing for G not certain.

Newman Apparently not in Y-Search. 4065 in G Project. Confirmed as G2a by lab. Unclear if tested further.
He only lists origins in Czechoslovakia so actual site might be in Czech Republic.

who list origins in Germany

One entry in YHRD database from Berlin, Germany is borderline for this clade.

who do not list origins in the Old World

Beshert  29DCB in Y-Search. 79414 in G Project. Confirmed by the lab as G2a and not
             G2a1 or G2a2. This sample was made available after completion of the page,
             and he does not appear on the diagram above.
Rothman-Calvert Apparently not in Y-Search. N50078 in G Project. Only predicted G.
Tracy 7ZVQK in Y-Search. Apparently not in G Project. Unclear whether predicted or confirmed
            as G.