Haplogroup G2a Project
                              DNA Results and Groupings

                                                     G2a3b1 individuals (DYS388=13) 
                                           on genetic branch 10E

The genetic branch 10E listed here is a name chosen to represent samples found along a branch of
a phylogenetic tree as created by special DNA software from Fluxus.  The relationships shown on
the Fluxus network diagram are based on the various marker values of 67-marker samples with special
weighting given to the slower-mutating markers.  Those persons in branch 10E will have unusually close
relationships with persons from other branches designated as 10, such as 10A.  The availability of 
additional samples may require renaming the branches, but persons closely related here will likely continue
clustering in future versions of the phylogenetic diagram.   Less closely related persons will tend to
move, and thus some caution has to be used in thinking of the branch listed here as anything more than
a helpful, but imperfect, way to try to subgroup G2a3b1 persons.  Inclusion of samples with less than
67 markers on this page is based partially on guesswork, especially with regard to 12-marker samples.  

The G2a3b1 status means the men will be positive in special SNP testing for general G (M201)
and G2 (P287) and G2a (P15) and for G2a3 (U8 or S126 or L30) and for G2a3b (L141) and for
G2a3b1 (P303)

The status of the men here with regard to the three subgroups of G2a3b1 is mixed.  Earlier testing showed
that men within the DYS388= 13group are negative for U1 (G2a3b1a)  It is unknown how many men on this
page are positive for L42 (G2a3b1b) or for  L139 (G2a3b1c).  Being negative for all three subgroups would
constitute a group all to itself and designated as G2a3b1*. One man here (Terry) did, however, test negative
for L42.   

For information on what is known of the origins of the overall DYS388=13 group and migrations and time
relationships to other G groupings link to the migration-time page

The Turkish subgroup is not particularly close genetically to the other men listed here.  The Fluxus software
puts the Kurdi sample within the DYS388=13 group and relatively near someone from the first subgroup.
A 67-marker sample from the Iranian subgroup would be particularly  useful in confirming the positioning
of these samples within the overall DYS388=13 group.  It cannot be ruled out that the Kurdi sample is
a rare mutation to 13 outside the large DYS388=13 group.  However, in comparing Kurdi's 41 available
markers the likeliest genetic distance (number of mutations) to genetically nearest DSY388=13 European
men he seems within the range of those still belonging to the DYS388=13 group. 



Recommended additional deep ancestry testing for men here with the interest and funds for this:

Upgrading to 67 markers for deep ancestry purposes can be useful in helping to better establish
relationships and time calculations to a common ancestor.  However, we now have a large number of
DYS388=13 samples, and the full 67 markers seem to have no specific use for them for deep
ancestry subgrouping here.  However, the additional markers may be useful within a surname project in
establishing family branches.  By way of exception, additional Italians and Hispanic men are needed
to upgrade to 67 markers in order to determine when they split from their cousins in northern Europe.
And the same can be said of the Turkish and Iranian men here.

All tested persons in the DYS388=13 group have tested positive for the P303 SNP which characterizes G2a3b1.
The outcome of such testing for all the samples listed below is very predictable as P303+ and testing, in my
opinion, unnecessary.   SNP testing can be ordered as what is called the deep clade SNP test in the
haplotree section of the individual Family Tree DNA results page.  P303 (G2a3b1) is included in this deep
clade test. 

There is no hint that the persons on this page are positive for U1, which characterizes a subgroup
of P303 (G2a3b1a).   In earlier testing DYS388=13 samples are negative for U1.  Little is known of the
coverage of the men on this page for L42 (G2a3b1b).   It is desirable that more persons on
on this page should test for it.    Little is known of the coverage of L139 (G2a3b1c) and confirmation that it
occurs within DYS388=13 persons would be desirable before additional persons test for this. These SNPs can
be ordered on the Family Tree DNA results page in the Order Tests section as an advanced test.  They will be
found at the top of the SNP list for $29US each.  These tests will eventually be added to the G deep clade test.  
Only one person from a surname group needs to test for SNPs as everyone else in the surname group will have
the same findings.

  



Results

First subgroup



                                                                                                                                     Marker designations in blue

Kit No. Surname Ancestral.origin
 
Haplo
Code
 
YSearch
Link
393 390 19
(394)
391 385
a
385
b
426 388 439 389
i
392 389
ii
458 459
a
459
b
455 454 447 437 448 449 464
a
464
b
464
c
464
d
464
e
464
f
460 GATA
H4
YCA
IIa
YCA
IIb
456 607 576 570 CDY
a
CDY
b
442 438 531 578 395
S1a
395
S1b
590 537 641 472 406
S1
511 425 413
a
413
b
557 594 436 490 534 450 444 481 520 446 617 568 487 572 640 492 565 441 461 463 445 452 YGATA
A10
YGATA
H4.1
462 GGAAT
1807
635
144720
Moore
NCarolinaUSA
MORE
AR9PF
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 20 32 12 13 13 13 14 11 10 20 20 15 13 15 23 36 37 11 10 11 8 15 15 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 12 22 22 19 13 11 15 11 11 11 12
31516
Harden
PennsylvaniaUSA
GENL
ZV9MK
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 34 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 14 12 13 18 35 36 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 20 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 22 19 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
111131
Harden
PennsylvaniaUSA
SOME
K6XV6 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 31 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 35 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 14 12 13 18 36 36 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 20 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 22 19 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
N14715
Rey
Switzerland
SOME
SCAY6
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 32 12 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 14 18 37 41 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 23 22 19 12 11 13 10 11 11 12
154394
Mettler
Switzerland
GENL
 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 32 12 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 14 19 36 36 11 10
94947
Mettler
Germany 
PART
 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 32 12 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 14 19 36 36 11 10
132701
Nowell
AlabamaUSA
GENL
RQQCY
14 23 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 29 17 9 9 11 11 23 14 21 31 12 13 13 13 13 10 10 20 20 15 12 16 18 35 38 11 10
121161
Craft
GeorgiaUSA
GENL
4MXWX
14 23 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 29 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 30 12 13 13 13 11 11 20 20 15 12 14 18 37 40 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 12 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 14 21 22 16 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
E6009
Deiss
Switzerland
X
TSPZF
15 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 29 17 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 33 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 15 13 15 18 36 39 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 12 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 22 22 18 11 11 13 10 11 11 11
6618
Barrett
 
MORE
5AQ6A
14 23 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 29 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 21 34 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 15 13 15 17 37 39 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 10 11 14 20 22 14 10 12 12 15 8 12 22 22 18 12 11 13 10 11 11 12
112560
Brown
YorkshireEngland
X
 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 30 16 8 9 11 11 23 16 21 34 13 13 13 13 11 11 20 20 15 13 15 19 35 38 11 10
77680
Cisketti
Italy
X
Y97F5
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 30 17 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 31 12 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 16 12 15 18 37 38 11 10
N6103
Ingrao
SicilyItaly
GENL
FUEUX
14 22 15 10 13 14 11 13 11 12 11 30 17 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 30 12 13 13 14 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 15 20 37 38 11 10
N42915
Terry
 
X
 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 30 17 9 9 11 11 22 16 21 33 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 14 12 13 18 36 36 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 12 14 20 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 22 16 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
58748
Terry
NJerseyUSA
SOME
583HX 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 30 17 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 33 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 14 12 13 18 36 36 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 12 14 20 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 22 16 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
74940
Terry
NJerseyUSA
SOME
ZNRM9 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 30 17 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 33 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 14 12 13 18 36 36 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 12 14 20 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 22 16 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
72710
Limebeer
DevonshEngland
X
 
14 22 15 11 12 14 11 13 11 12 11 29 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 21 30 13 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 16 13 14 18 35 40 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 10 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 22 22 17 12 11 13 11 11 11 12


2nd subgroup from Turkish region


                                                                                                                                     Marker designations in blue

Kit No. Surname Ancestral.origin
 
Haplo
Code
 
YSearch
Link
393 390 19
(394)
391 385
a
385
b
426 388 439 389
i
392 389
ii
458 459
a
459
b
455 454 447 437 448 449 464
a
464
b
464
c
464
d
464
e
464
f
460 GATA
H4
YCA
IIa
YCA
IIb
456 607 576 570 CDY
a
CDY
b
442 438 531 578 395
S1a
395
S1b
590 537 641 472 406
S1
511 425 413
a
413
b
557 594 436 490 534 450 444 481 520 446 617 568 487 572 640 492 565 441 461 463 445 452 YGATA
A10
YGATA
H4.1
462 GGAAT
1807
635
32799
Hezarkhani*.
Iran
GENL
TNB53
13 23 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 14 11 31
 
Kurdi
Turkey?
PART
ZCHM9
13 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 14 11 31 16 9 9 11 12 23 16 32 12 13 13 14 11 20 20 14 11 10 12 15 14 13 20 10 7 12 13 11 22



3rd subgroup

                                                                                                                                     Marker designations in blue

Kit No. Surname Ancestral.origin
 
Haplo
Code
 
YSearch
Link
393 390 19
(394)
391 385
a
385
b
426 388 439 389
i
392 389
ii
458 459
a
459
b
455 454 447 437 448 449 464
a
464
b
464
c
464
d
464
e
464
f
460 GATA
H4
YCA
IIa
YCA
IIb
456 607 576 570 CDY
a
CDY
b
442 438 531 578 395
S1a
395
S1b
590 537 641 472 406
S1
511 425 413
a
413
b
557 594 436 490 534 450 444 481 520 446 617 568 487 572 640 492 565 441 461 463 445 452 YGATA
A10
YGATA
H4.1
462 GGAAT
1807
635
N2302
Shaver/Schaber
Germany
SOME
QMCBF
14 22 16 10 14 14 11 13 11 14 11 31 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 31 13 13 14 14 10 18 20 15 11 10 13 17 14 11 20 10 7 12 12 21


4th subgroup

                                                                                                                                     Marker designations in blue

Kit No. Surname Ancestral.origin
 
Haplo
Code
 
YSearch
Link
393 390 19
(394)
391 385
a
385
b
426 388 439 389
i
392 389
ii
458 459
a
459
b
455 454 447 437 448 449 464
a
464
b
464
c
464
d
464
e
464
f
460 GATA
H4
YCA
IIa
YCA
IIb
456 607 576 570 CDY
a
CDY
b
442 438 531 578 395
S1a
395
S1b
590 537 641 472 406
S1
511 425 413
a
413
b
557 594 436 490 534 450 444 481 520 446 617 568 487 572 640 492 565 441 461 463 445 452 YGATA
A10
YGATA
H4.1
462 GGAAT
1807
635
161361
Hugly
Switzerland
X
 
14 22 15 10 14 16 11 13 11 12 11 29
Hugly*
Switzerland
?
X3YXS
14 22 15 10 14 16 11 13 11 12 11 29
157705
Frohock
 
X
 
14 22 15 10 14 16 11 13 11 12 11 30 15 9 10 11 11 23 16 21 32 12 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 14 18 37 40 11 11
66718
Frohock
NCarolinaUSA
X
BUTR3 
14 22 15 10 14 16 11 13 11 12 11 29 15 9 10 11 11 23 16 21 32 12 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 14 18 37 40 11 11 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 10 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 15 8 14 21 22 19 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
156068
Creamer
 
X
 
14 22 15 10 14 16 11 13 11 12 11 29 15 9 10 11 11 23 16 21 33 12 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 14 18 37 40 11 11
N32000
Gray
Scotland
GENL
HHDTJ
14 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 12 11 29 15 9 10 11 11 23 16 21 31 12 12 13 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 14 18 37 40 11 11




             * an asterisk indicates not enough markers are
             available to confirm this sample belongs on this page


Haplogroup SNP Testing Codes
              Results not pertinent to the men here are not listed
X - not tested 
? - unclear what testing was or was not done
GENL - Was found M201+ ....this is only general G with no testing for any subgroups
PART - Was found P15+ (G2a) but never tested for any G2a subgroups pertinent to the men on this page
                                         such as  U8+ or S126+ or L30+ (G2a3) and P303 (G2a3b1) and its subgroup(s)
SOME - Was found P15+ (G2a), as well as U8+ or S126+ or L30+ (G2a3)
                               not tested for subgroups of G2a3
MORE - Was found P15+ (G2a), as well as U8+ or S126+ or L30+ (G2a3), as well as P303+ (G2a3b1)
                                not tested for subgroups of G2a3b



Link to Haplogroup G Tree Structure