Haplogroup G2a Project
                              DNA Results and Groupings

                                                     G2a3b1 individuals (DYS388=13) 
                                           on genetic branch 14A

The genetic branch 14A listed here is a name chosen to represent samples found along a branch of
a phylogenetic tree as created by special DNA software from Fluxus.  The relationships shown on
the Fluxus network diagram are based on the various marker values of 67-marker samples with special
weighting given to the slower-mutating markers.  Those persons in branch 14A will have unusually close
relationships with persons from other branches designated as 14, such as 14G.  The availability of 
additional samples may require renaming the branches, but persons closely related here will likely continue
clustering in future versions of the phylogenetic diagram.   Less closely related persons will tend to
move, and thus some caution has to be used in thinking of the branch listed here as anything more than
a helpful, but imperfect, way to try to subgroup G2a3b1 persons.  Inclusion of samples with less than
67 markers on this page is based partially on guesswork, especially with regard to 12-marker samples.

The G2a3b1 status means the men will be positive in special SNP testing for general G (M201)
and G2 (P287) and G2a (P15) and for G2a3 (U8 or S126 or L30) and for G2a3b (L141) and for
G2a3b1 (P303)

The status of the men here with regard to the three subgroups of G2a3b1 is mixed.  Earlier testing showed
that men within the DYS388= 13group are negative for U1 (G2a3b1a)  It is unknown how many men on this
page are positive for L42 (G2a3b1b) or for  L139 (G2a3b1c).  Being negative for all three subgroups would
constitute a group all to itself and designated as G2a3b1*.  King is the only man on this page who tested for L42,
and his test was negative.  

For information on what is known of the origins of the overall DYS388=13 group and migrations and time
relationships to other G groupings link to the migration-time page


Recommended additional deep ancestry testing for men here with the interest and funds for this:

Upgrading to 67 markers for deep ancestry purposes can be useful in helping to better establish
relationships and time calculations to a common ancestor.  However, we now have a large number of
DYS388=13 samples, and the full 67 markers seem to have no specific use for them for deep
ancestry subgrouping here.  However, the additional markers may be useful within a surname project in
establishing family branches.  By way of exception, additional Italians and Hispanic men are needed
to upgrade to 67 markers in order to determine when they split from their cousins in northern Europe.

All tested persons in the DYS388=13 group have tested positive for the P303 SNP which characterizes G2a3b1.
The outcome of such testing for all the samples listed below is very predictable as P303+ and testing, in my
opinion, unnecessary.   SNP testing can be ordered as what is called the deep clade SNP test in the
haplotree section of the individual Family Tree DNA results page.  P303 (G2a3b1) is included in this deep
clade test. 

There is no hint that the persons on this page are positive for U1, which characterizes a subgroup
of P303 (G2a3b1a).   In earlier testing DYS388=13 samples are negative for U1.  Little is known of the
coverage of the men on this page for L42 (G2a3b1b).   It is desirable that more persons on
on this page should test for it.    Little is known of the coverage of L139 (G2a3b1c) and confirmation that it
occurs within DYS388=13 persons would be desirable before additional persons test for this. These SNPs can
be ordered on the Family Tree DNA results page in the Order Tests section as an advanced test.  They will be
found at the top of the SNP list for $29US each.  These tests will eventually be added to the G deep clade test.  
Only one person from a surname group needs to test for SNPs as everyone else in the surname group will have
the same findings.

     




Results



                                                                                                                                     Marker designations in blue

Kit No. Surname Ancestral.origin
 
Haplo
Code
 
YSearch
Link
393 390 19
(394)
391 385
a
385
b
426 388 439 389
i
392 389
ii
458 459
a
459
b
455 454 447 437 448 449 464
a
464
b
464
c
464
d
464
e
464
f
460 GATA
H4
YCA
IIa
YCA
IIb
456 607 576 570 CDY
a
CDY
b
442 438 531 578 395
S1a
395
S1b
590 537 641 472 406
S1
511 425 413
a
413
b
557 594 436 490 534 450 444 481 520 446 617 568 487 572 640 492 565 441 461 463 445 452 YGATA
A10
YGATA
H4.1
462 GGAAT
1807
635
140445
Stuber
Switzerland
X
HFZ5E
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 10 12 11 30
99725
Pflaum
Germany
SOME
5Y6CS
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 10 12 11 30 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 33 12 13 13 14 14 10 11 20 20 16 13 14 18 36 39 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 10 10 14 22 22 15 10 12 12 15 8 13 22 22 19 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
53816
Knowles
 
X
5WX9P
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 29 15 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 30 13 13 13 13 10 10 20 20 15 13 15 18 35 39 11 10 11
61954
Rodgers
Scotland
PART
KDEZH
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 10 12 11 29 15 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 30 13 13 13 13 10 10 20 20 15 13 15 19 35 38 11 10 11 8 15 17 8 12 10 8 10 12 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 16 8 12 21 22 18 12 10 14 11 11 11 12
14931
King
VirginiaUSA
GENL
XT6NA
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 10 12 11 31 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 20 30 12 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 16 18 35 39 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 11 12 12 15 8 13 24 22 18 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
73044
King
VirginiaUSA
GENL
CC7KD
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 10 12 11 31 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 20 30 12 13 13 14 10 11 20 20 15 13 16 18 35 40 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 15 8 13 24 22 18 12 11 13 11 11 11 12


Haplogroup SNP Testing Codes
                 Negative test results not pertinent to the men shown here are not listed.
X - not tested 
? - unclear what testing was or was not done
GENL - Was found M201+ ....this is only general G with no testing for any subgroups
PART - Was found P15+ (G2a) but never tested for any G2a subgroups pertinent to the men on this page
                                         such as  U8+ or S126+ or L30+ (G2a3) and P303 (G2a3b1)
SOME - Was found P15+ (G2a) and P303+ (G2a3b1)
                                         but not tested for U8+ or S126+ or L30+ (G2a3)

Link to Haplogroup G Tree Structure