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                                                        Haplogroup G2a Project
                              DNA Results and Groupings

                                                    G2a3b1 individuals (DYS388=13) 
                                             on genetic branch 1B


The genetic branch 1B listed here is a name chosen to represent samples found along a branch of
a phylogenetic tree as created by special DNA software from Fluxus.  The relationships shown on
the Fluxus network diagram are based on the various marker values of 67-marker samples with special
weighting given to the slower-mutating markers.  Those persons in branch 1B will have unusually close
relationships with persons from other branches designated as 1, such as 1A.  The availability of 
additional samples may require renaming the branches, but persons closely related here will likely continue
clustering in future versions of the phylogenetic diagram.  Less closely related persons will tend to
move, and thus some caution has to be used in thinking of the branch listed here as anything more than
a helpful, but imperfect, way to try to subgroup G2a3b1 persons.  Inclusion of samples with less than
67 markers on this page is based partially on guesswork, especially with regard to 12-marker samples.

The G2a3b1 status means the men will be positive in special SNP testing for general G (M201)
and G2 (P287) and G2a (P15) and for G2a3 (U8 or S126 or L30) and for G2a3b (L141) and for
G2a3b1 (P303)

The status of the men here with regard to the three subgroups of G2a3b1 is mixed.  Earlier testing showed
that men within the DYS388=13 group are negative for U1 (G2a3b1a)  It is unknown if all men on this page
are positive for L42 (G2a3b1b) or for  L139 (G2a3b1c).  One of the men here (Van Hemert), however, 
was found negative for the G2a3b subgroup.  Being negative for all three subgroups would constitute
a group all to itself and designated as G2a3b1*.  

For information on what is known of the origins of the overall DYS388=13 group and migrations and time
relationships to other G groupings link to the migration-time page

Some of the men here have an extremely rare value of 15 for DYS388.  This apparently arose within
the Price surname group in recent centuries.  There are several other surnamed persons with this oddity,
and they are all extremely closely related to the Prices.

Recommended additional deep ancestry testing for men here with the interest and funds for this:

Upgrading to 67 markers for deep ancestry purposes can be useful in helping to better establish
relationships and time calculations to a common ancestor.  However, we now have a large number of
DYS388=13 samples, and the full 67 markers seem to have no specific use for them for deep
ancestry subgrouping here.  However, the additional markers may be useful within a surname project in
establishing family branches.

All tested persons in the DYS388=13 group have tested positive for the P303 SNP which characterizes G2a3b1.
The outcome of such testing for all the samples listed below is very predictable as P303+ and testing, in my
opinion, unnecessary.   SNP testing can be ordered as what is called the deep clade SNP test in the
haplotree section of the individual Family Tree DNA results page.  P303 (G2a3b1) is included in this deep
clade test. 

There is no hint that the persons on this page are positive for U1, which characterizes a subgroup
of P303 (G2a3b1a).   In earlier testing DYS388=13 samples are negative for U1.  Little is known of the
coverage of the men on this page for L42 (G2a3b1b).   It is desirable that more persons on
on this page should test for it.    Little is known of the coverage of L139 (G2a3b1c) and confirmation that it
occurs within DYS388=13 persons would be desirable before additional persons test for this. These SNPs can
be ordered on the Family Tree DNA results page in the Order Tests section as an advanced test.  They will be
found at the top of the SNP list for $29US each.  These tests will eventually be added to the G deep clade test.  
Only one person from a surname group needs to test for SNPs as everyone else in the surname group will have
the same findings.

It not currently recommended that anyone here order the L139 SNP test until the lab which located
this SNP reports who was the man with this result.

Results   

                                                                                                                                     Marker designations in blue

Kit No.	Surname	Ancestral.origin	Haplo Code	YSearch Link	393	390	19 (394)	391	385 a	385 b	426	388	439	389 i	392	389 ii	458	459 a	459 b	455	454	447	437	448	449	464 a	464 b	464 c	464 d	464 e	464 f	460	GATA H4	YCA IIa	YCA IIb	456	607	576	570	CDY a	CDY b	442	438	531	578	395 S1a	395 S1b	590	537	641	472	406 S1	511	425	413 a	413 b	557	594	436	490	534	450	444	481	520	446	617	568	487	572	640	492	565	441	461	463	445	452	YGATA A10	YGATA H4.1	462	GGAAT 1807	635
N25140	Merck	France	GENL	MDSQC	14	22	15	10	13	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	17	9	10	11	11	23	16	21	31	12	13	13	13			10	11	20	20	15	13	15	17	36	40	13	10
N13725	Herman	Germany	PART	ERWUQ	14	22	15	10	13	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	17	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	12	13	13	13			10	11	20	20	15	13	14	18	37	38	11	10
12753	Lough	Germany	GENL	T6BM2	14	22	15	10	13	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	17	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	30	13	13	14	14
145464	Wagner	Germany	X		14	22	15	10	13	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	15	22	32	12	13	13	14			11	11	19	20	15	13	15	18	36	39	11	10
41576	VanHemert	Holland	SOME	BM42N	14	22	15	10	13	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	19	9	9	11	11	22	16	21	30	12	13	13	15			10	11	20	20	15	12	16	17	34	36	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	10	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	15	8	13	21	22	13	12	11	13	10	11	11	12
N13782	Distler*	Germany	PART		14	22	15	10	13	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
135118	Magalski*	Poland	GENL		14	22	15	10	13	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
142560	Suess*	Austria	GENL		14	22	15	10	13	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
N22235	Baker*		PART		14	22	16	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
N52227	Metzger*		GENL		14	22	16	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
	Manara*	Italy	?	XCTZY	14	22	16	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
N28952	Jones	DenbigshWales	GENL	T4N8F	14	22	16	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	17	9	9	11	11	23	15	20	32	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	16	17	35	36	11	10	10	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	10	14	22	22	15	10	12	12	15	8	14	21	22	19	12	10	13	10	11	11	12
99141	Allen	SomersetEngland	GENL	FEKNM	14	22	16	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	17	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	16	17	34	39	11	10
121684	Groff/Harding	Ireland	MOST	KECC2	15	22	16	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	18	9	10	11	11	23	16	21	32	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	17	17	36	37	11	10	10	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	10	14	22	22	15	10	12	12	15	8	14	21	22	99	12	11	13	10	11	11	12
14573	Price		PART	M2R6Y	14	22	16	10	14	14	11	13	12	12	11	29	17	9	9	11	11	23	15	21	34	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	16	13	17	17	37	37	11	10	10	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	10	14	22	22	15	10	12	12	16	8	14	21	22	19	12	10	15	10	11	11	12
N9262	Price	NCarolinaUSA	PART	2DXUC	14	22	16	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	17	9	9	11	11	23	15	21	35	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	16	13	16	17	37	37	11	10	10	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	10	14	22	22	15	10	12	12	17	8	14	21	22	19	12	10	15	10	11	11	12
96081	Price	NCarolinaUSA	X	BHHU6	14	22	16	10	14	14	11	15	11	12	11	29	17	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	13	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	14	17	37	38	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	11	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	14	8	13	21	22	17	12	11	13	11	11	11	11
40922	Gilbert	England	X		14	22	16	10	14	14	11	15	11	12	11	29	17	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	13	13	14	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	14	17	34	38	11	10
142383	Gilbert		X		14	22	16	10	14	14	11	15	11	12	11	29	17	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	14	17	36	38	11	10
136955	Gilbert	USA	X	REZHA	14	22	16	10	14	14	11	15	11	12	11	29
94084	Gilbert	WorcestershEngl	X	TB6SX	14	22	16	10	14	14	11	15	11	12	11	29	17	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	13	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	14	17	36	38	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	11	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	14	8	13	21	22	17	12	11	13	11	11	11	11
N47561	Ranney	WorcestershEngl	PART	RBP2K	14	22	16	10	14	14	11	15	11	12	11	29	17	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	13	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	14	17	36	38	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	11	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	14	8	13	21	22	17	12	11	13	11	11	11	11
	Swinfield	LeicestershEngl	?	7JPZC	14	22	16	10	14	14	11	15	11	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	13	13	13	14			11	11	20	20	15						11	10																				14			17								14	11	20	10	7	11		12	11	20
156002	Swinfield		X		14	22	16	10	14	14	11	15	11	12	11	29
E5902	Swinfield		X		14	22	16	10	14	14	11	15	11	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	33	13	13	13	14			11	11	20	20	15	13	14	17	36	38	11	10
121486	Schuermyer		GENL	U8SCE	14	22	16	10	14	14	11	13	12	12	11	30	17	9	9	11	11	24	15	21	34	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	16	17	37	37	11	10
59560	Kedenburg*	TexasUSA	GENL	YBG88	14	22	16	10	14	14	11	13	12	12	11	29

 
                                                         * An asterisk indicates the sample lacks enough markers to confirm this
                                                             sample belongs on this page.


Haplogroup SNP Testing Codes
             Negative test results irrelevant to the men on this page are not listed
X - not tested 
? - unclear what testing was or was not done
GENL - was found positive only for M201, the SNP that characterizes plain G...not tested further
MINI - was found positive for P15 (G2a) but not tested further
PART - was found positive for M201 (G) and P15 (G2a) but not tested for other relevant SNPs such as P303
SOME - was found positive for M201 (G) and P15 (G2a) and P303 (G2a3b1)
                                               not tested for U8 or S126 or L30 (G2a3)
MOST - was found positive for M201 (G) and P15 (G2a) and P303 (G2a3b1)
                                               and for U8 or S126 or L30 (G2a3)

Link to Haplogroup G Tree Structure