Haplogroup G2a Project
                              DNA Results and Groupings

                                                     G2a3b1 individuals (DYS388=13) 
                                           on genetic branch 42F

The genetic branch 42F listed here is a name chosen to represent samples found along a branch of
a phylogenetic tree as created by special DNA software from Fluxus.  The relationships shown on
the Fluxus network diagram are based on the various marker values of 67-marker samples with special
weighting given to the slower-mutating markers.  Those persons in branch 42F will have unusually close
relationships with persons from other branches designated as 42, such as 42A.  The availability of 
additional samples may require renaming the branches, but persons closely related here will likely continue
clustering in future versions of the phylogenetic diagram.   Less closely related persons will tend to
move, and thus some caution has to be used in thinking of the branch listed here as anything more than
a helpful, but imperfect, way to try to subgroup G2a3b1 persons.  Inclusion of samples with less than
67 markers on this page is based partially on guesswork, especially with regard to 12-marker samples.

The G2a3b1 status means the men will be positive in special SNP testing for general G (M201)
and G2 (P287) and G2a (P15) and for G2a3 (U8 or S126 or L30) and for G2a3b (L141) and for
G2a3b1 (P303)

The status of the men here with regard to the three subgroups of G2a3b1 is mixed.  Earlier testing showed
that men within the DYS388= 13group are negative for U1 (G2a3b1a)  It is unknown how many men on this
page are positive for L42 (G2a3b1b) or for  L139 (G2a3b1c).  Being negative for all three subgroups would
constitute a group all to itself and designated as G2a3b1*.

For information on what is known of the origins of the overall DYS388=13 group and migrations and time
relationships to other G groupings link to the migration-time page

Multiple men here seem to have developed a rare change once again of DYS388 back to 12.
This is certain because their closest relationships are all in the DYS388= 13 group.   

The two apparent Jewish samples (Goldberg, Aronov) are genetically closest to the 1A branch
but not recently close.  But because of the 12 value at DYS388 they are listed here.

The research study is Mirvat El Sibai et al., "Geographical Structure of the Y-Chromosomal Genetic
Landscape of the Levant: A Coastal Inland Contrast," Annals of Human Genetics, 2009.  The
sample used here was not from the Levant.

The YHRD database is a public database of samples collected from around the world as submitted by  
scientists.  Because YHRD does not report DYS388, it is possible the YHRD samples shown here
actually belong to a DYS388=12 group such as DYS568=9 group.  When the DYS426 marker's value
is shown in italics, the value is only predicted, but virtually all G persons have 11 for this marker. 


Recommended additional deep ancestry testing for men here with the interest and funds for this:

Upgrading to 67 markers for deep ancestry purposes can be useful in helping to better establish
relationships and time calculations to a common ancestor.  However, we now have a large number of
DYS388=13 samples, and the full 67 markers seem to have no specific use for them for deep
ancestry subgrouping here.  However, the additional markers may be useful within a surname project in
establishing family branches.  By way of exception, additional Italian and Hispanic persons are needed
to upgrade to 67 markers to allow determination of when they split from their more northern cousins.

All tested persons in the DYS388=13 group have tested positive for the P303 SNP which characterizes G2a3b1.
The outcome of such testing for all the samples listed below is very predictable as P303+ and testing, in my
opinion, unnecessary.   SNP testing can be ordered as what is called the deep clade SNP test in the
haplotree section of the individual Family Tree DNA results page.  P303 (G2a3b1) is included in this deep
clade test. 

There is no hint that the persons on this page are positive for U1, which characterizes a subgroup
of P303 (G2a3b1a).   In earlier testing DYS388=13 samples are negative for U1.  Little is known of the
coverage of the men on this page for L42 (G2a3b1b).   It is desirable that more persons on
on this page should test for it.    Little is known of the coverage of L139 (G2a3b1c) and confirmation that it
occurs within DYS388=13 persons would be desirable before additional persons test for this. These SNPs can
be ordered on the Family Tree DNA results page in the Order Tests section as an advanced test.  They will be
found at the top of the SNP list for $29US each.  These tests will eventually be added to the G deep clade test.  
Only one person from a surname group needs to test for SNPs as everyone else in the surname group will have
the same findings.

  




Results

One subgroup, including men with reversion of DYS388 to 12



                                                                                                                                     Marker designations in blue

Kit No. Surname Ancestral.origin
 
Haplo
Code
 
YSearch
Link
393 390 19
(394)
391 385
a
385
b
426 388 439 389
i
392 389
ii
458 459
a
459
b
455 454 447 437 448 449 464
a
464
b
464
c
464
d
464
e
464
f
460 GATA
H4
YCA
IIa
YCA
IIb
456 607 576 570 CDY
a
CDY
b
442 438 531 578 395
S1a
395
S1b
590 537 641 472 406
S1
511 425 413
a
413
b
557 594 436 490 534 450 444 481 520 446 617 568 487 572 640 492 565 441 461 463 445 452 YGATA
A10
YGATA
H4.1
462 GGAAT
1807
635
24542
Reeves
DorsetEngland
X
5287E
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 30 17 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 33 12 13 13 14
N9386
Barchenath*
Morocco
X
 
14 22 15 10 14 16 11 12 11 11 11 28
N12391
Shani*
Morocco
GENL
 
14 22 15 10 14 16 11 12 11 11 11 28
50614
Terry
VirginiaUSA
MANY
nz8f4
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 15 9 9 11 11 23 16 20 32 12 13 13 14 11 10 20 20 14 13 15 23 36 37 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 22 22 19 13 11 13 11 11 11 12
77541
Terry
 
GENL
P624W 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 28 15 9 9 11 11 23 16 20 31 12 13 13 14 11 10 20 20 15 13 15 22 36 37 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 22 22 19 13 11 13 11 11 11 12
N20248
Trammell
 
GENL
 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 12 12 12 11 29  
122495
Trammell
KentEngland 
X
FFJTH
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 12 11 11 11 28  
117741
Trammell
DevonshireEngl 
X
256W3
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 12 11 11 11 28 16  8 9 11 11 22 16 22 31 12 13 13 14
122292
Trammell
 
SOME
68H37 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 12 11 11 11 28 16 8 9 11 11 22 16 22 31 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 15 13 15 18 35 38 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 22 18 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
69216
Trammell
VirginiaUSA 
SOME
RNTBS 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 12 11 11 11 28 16 8 9 11 11 22 16 22 31 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 15 13 15 18 35 39 11 10 11 8 15 15 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 22 18 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
117876
Trammell
 
X
WEKHM 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 12 11 11 11 28 16 8 9 11 11 22 16 22 31 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 15 13 15 18 35 39 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 22 18 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
116975
Trammell
DevonshireEngl
SOME
866C9
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 12 11 11 11 28 16 8 9 11 11 22 16 22 31 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 15 13 15 18 35 39 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 22 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 22 18 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
 
2YHRDsamples
ReggiodiCalabriaItaly
X
 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 11 11 11 28   16 10
38757
Lewis
VirginiaUSA
X
ZGPHB
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 12 11 11 11 28 16 8 9 11 11 23 16 22 31 12 13 13 14
 
YHRDsample
HamburgGermany
X
 
14 22 15 10 15 15 11 12 12 11 28  
 
YHRDsample
RioGrandedoSulBrazil
X
 
14 22 15 10 15 15 11 12 12 11 28 16   15 21 12 17 10 21
 
YHRDsamples
RioGrandedoSulBrazil
X
 
14 22 15 10 15 15 11 12 12 11 28 16   15 22 12 16 10 21
 
Goldberg
Lithuania
?
Z5QB5
14 23 14 10 14 14 11 12 11 12 11 29 17 9 9 11 11 23 16 20 28 13 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 17 13 16 17 36 39 11 11
 
Ahronovitz/Aronov
Romania
?
C4XJX
14 22 16 10 13 14 11 12 11 12 11 31 17 9 9 11 11 23 16 20 29 13 13 14 14 10 11 20 21 16 13 16 18 36 37 12 10
3095
Curtis
VirginiaUSA
PART
EFWD5
14 21 16 11 14 14 11 12 11 12 11 29 15 8 9 11 11 23 16 21 29 12 12 13 14 11 10 20 20 16 12 15 17 35 38 12 11
3286
Curtis
VirginiaUSA
X
14 21 16 11 14 14 11 12 11 12 11 29 15 8 9 11 11 23 16 21 29 12 12 14 14


Another subgroup


                                                                                                                                     Marker designations in blue

Kit No. Surname Ancestral.origin
 
Haplo
Code
 
YSearch
Link
393 390 19
(394)
391 385
a
385
b
426 388 439 389
i
392 389
ii
458 459
a
459
b
455 454 447 437 448 449 464
a
464
b
464
c
464
d
464
e
464
f
460 GATA
H4
YCA
IIa
YCA
IIb
456 607 576 570 CDY
a
CDY
b
442 438 531 578 395
S1a
395
S1b
590 537 641 472 406
S1
511 425 413
a
413
b
557 594 436 490 534 450 444 481 520 446 617 568 487 572 640 492 565 441 461 463 445 452 YGATA
A10
YGATA
H4.1
462 GGAAT
1807
635
54795
Wiley
PennsylvanisUSA 
PART
H7ADS
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 30 17 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 31 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 14 12 13 18 36 36 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 20 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 22 16 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
153185
Wildey
NewYork USA
X
 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 30 17 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 33 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 14 12 13 19 36 36 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 12 14 20 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 22 16 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
108255
Wildey
 
X
KURZR
14 22 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 11 30 17 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 33 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 14 12 13 18 36 36 12 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 11 14 20 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 22 16 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
108257
Wildey
 
X
ZY9S7
14 21 15 10 13 14 11 13 11 12 11 30 17 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 33 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 14 12 13 19 36 36 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 12 14 20 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 22 16 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
N2070
Wilde
NewYorkUSA
SOME
JCX38
14 22 15 10 13 14 11 13 11 12 11 30 17 9 9 11 11 23 16 21 33 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 14 12 13 18 36 36 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 12 14 20 22 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 22 16 12 11 13 11 11 11 12
71383
Personett
NewYorkUSA 
SOME
PAJN6 
14 22 14 10 13 14 11 13 11 13 11 31 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 20 31 12 13 13 14
37108
Roper
 
X
8PBWA
14 22 16 10 13 14 11 13 11 12 11 30 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 20 34 12 13 13 14 11 10 20 20 14 12 13 19 36 36 11 10
57209
French
IndianaUSA
X
2ESK9
14 22 15 10 13 14 11 13 12 12 11 30 17 9 9 11 11 24 16 21 32 12 12 13 14 11 11 20 20 15 13 15 18 35 39 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 10 14 22 24 15 10 12 12 14 8 13 22 21 19 12 11 14 11 11 11 11
26793
Hamman
Germany
X
 
14 22 15 10 13 14 11 13 11 12 11 30 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 21 31 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 16 13 15 18 35 38 11 10
7367
Hamman
Germany
PART
 
14 22 15 10 13 14 11 13 11 12 11 30
160238
Hammonds
France
X
 
13 22 15 10 13 14 11 13 11 12 11 30 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 21 31 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 16 13 15 18 35 38 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 10 11 14 22 24 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 22 20 12 11 14 11 11 11 11
70987
Hamman
Germany 
X
 
14 22 15 10 13 14 11 13 11 12 11 30 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 21 31 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 16 13 15 18 35 38 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 10 10 14 22 24 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 22 20 12 11 14 11 11 11 11
19219
Hamman
Germany
SOME
DDSST
14 22 15 10 13 14 11 13 11 12 11 30 17 9 9 11 11 24 16 21 31 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 16 13 15 18 35 38 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 10 11 14 22 24 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 22 20 12 11 14 11 11 11 11
109236
Hamman
 
X
 
14 22 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 12 11 30 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 21 31 12 13 13 14 11 11 20 20 16 14 15 18 35 38 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 10 11 14 22 24 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 21 20 12 11 14 11 11 11 11
115039
Hale
 
X
MZPMT
14 22 15 10 13 14 11 13 11 12 11 30 16 9 9 11 11 24 16 21 31 12 13 13 14 12 11 20 20 16 13 15 18 35 38 11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 10 10 14 22 24 14 10 12 12 14 8 13 21 22 20 12 11 14 11 11 11 11
 
Research
Study
Egypt
X
 
14 22 15 10 13 14 11 13 11 12 11 30 17 16 21 13 15 10 20
N31874
Knop
Germany 
X
MJJ26
14 22 15 10 13 14 11 13 11 12 11 30
N47108
Sill*
 
X
 
14 22 15 10 13 14 11 13 11 12 11 30



Haplogroup SNP Testing Codes
              Negative test results not relevant to this group are omitted
X - not tested 
? - unclear what testing was or was not done
GENL - Was found M201+ ....this is only general G with no testing for any subgroups
PART - Was found P15+ (G2a) but never tested for any G2a subgroups pertinent to the men on this page
                                         such as  U8+ or S126+ or L30+ (G2a3) and P303 (G2a3b1) and its subgroup(s)
SOME - was found positive for  P15 (G2a) and for P303 (G2a3b1)
                             not tested for U8, S126 or L30 (G2a3) or for subgroups of G2a3b
MANY -  was found positive for  P15 (G2a) and for P303 (G2a3b1)
                             found negative for S146 or S147 (or L42 or L43) (G2a3b1b)
                             not tested for U8, S126 or L30 (G2a3)

Link to Haplogroup G Tree Structure