                                                           Haplogroup G Project
                              DNA Results and Groupings

                                                     G2a3b1 individuals (DYS388=13)
                                         on genetic branch 8B

The genetic branch 8B listed here is a name chosen to represent samples found along a branch of
a phylogenetic tree as created by special DNA software from Fluxus. The relationships shown on
the Fluxus network diagram are based on the various marker values of 67-marker samples with special
weighting given to the slower-mutating markers. Those persons in branch 8B will have unusually close
relationships with persons from other branches designated as 8, such as 8A. The availability of
additional samples may require renaming the branches, but persons closely related here will likely continue
clustering in future versions of the phylogenetic diagram.   Less closely related persons will tend to
move, and thus some caution has to be used in thinking of the branch listed here as anything more than
a helpful, but imperfect, way to try to subgroup G2a3b1 persons. Inclusion of samples with less than
67 markers on this page is based partially on guesswork, especially with regard to 12-marker samples.

The G2a3b1 status means the men will be positive in special SNP testing for general G (M201)
and G2 (P287) and G2a (P15) and for G2a3 (U8 or S126 or L30) and for G2a3b (L141) and for
G2a3b1 (P303)

The status of the men here with regard to the three subgroups of G2a3b1 is mixed. Earlier testing showed
that men within the DYS388= 13group are negative for U1 (G2a3b1a)  It is unknown how many men on this
page are positive for L42 (G2a3b1b) or for L139 (G2a3b1c). Being negative for all three subgroups would
constitute a group all to itself and designated as G2a3b1*.

For information on what is known of the origins of the overall DYS388=13 group and migrations and time
relationships to other G groupings link to the migration-time page

The Wenzel sample has a DYS388 value of 12 which seems a rare reversion back to the ancestral value within
the DYS388=13 group.

The YHRD database is a public database of samples collected from around the world as submitted by
scientists. When the value for DYS426 is italicized, it is only predicted. Virtually all G persons have a
value of 11.

Recommended additional deep ancestry testing for men here with the interest and funds for this:

Upgrading to 67 markers for deep ancestry purposes can be useful in helping to better establish
relationships and time calculations to a common ancestor. However, we now have a large number of
DYS388=13 samples, and the full 67 markers seem to have no specific use for them for deep
ancestry subgrouping here. However, the additional markers may be useful within a surname project in
establishing family branches.

By way of exception, the men on this page have many features of a DYS388=13 subgroup characterized by
DYS594=11. Any surname group below not tested for DYS594 shoould order DYS594 as a stand-alone
test to make sure it is not 11. This can be found on the individual results page at Family Tree DNA. It is
in the advanced test subsection of the Order Tests section.

All tested persons in the DYS388=13 group have tested positive for the P303 SNP which characterizes G2a3b1.
The outcome of such testing for all the samples listed below is very predictable as P303+ and testing, in my
opinion, unnecessary.   SNP testing can be ordered as what is called the deep clade SNP test in the
haplotree section of the individual Family Tree DNA results page. P303 (G2a3b1) is included in this deep
clade test.

There is no hint that the persons on this page are positive for U1, which characterizes a subgroup
of P303 (G2a3b1a).   In earlier testing DYS388=13 samples are negative for U1. Little is known of the
coverage of the men on this page for L42 (G2a3b1b).   It is desirable that more persons on
on this page should test for it.    Little is known of the coverage of L139 (G2a3b1c) and confirmation that it
occurs within DYS388=13 persons would be desirable before additional persons test for this. These SNPs can
be ordered on the Family Tree DNA results page in the Order Tests section as an advanced test.  They will be
found at the top of the SNP list for $29US each. These tests will eventually be added to the G deep clade test.
Only one person from a surname group needs to test for SNPs as everyone else in the surname group will have
the same findings.

Results

Marker designations in blue


Kit No.	Surname	Ancestral.origin	Haplo Code	YSearch Link	393	390	19 (394)	391	385 a	385 b	426	388	439	389 i	392	389 ii	458	459 a	459 b	455	454	447	437	448	449	464 a	464 b	464 c	464 d	464 e	464 f	460	GATA H4	YCA IIa	YCA IIb	456	607	576	570	CDY a	CDY b	442	438	531	578	395 S1a	395 S1b	590	537	641	472	406 S1	511	425	413 a	413 b	557	594	436	490	534	450	444	481	520	446	617	568	487	572	640	492	565	441	461	463	445	452	YGATA A10	YGATA H4.1	462	GGAAT 1807	635
	Arevalo	Mexico	?	RE63R	14	23	15	10	15	15	11	13	11	12	11	28
31212	TarinSegura	Mexico	PART	MEENZ	14	23	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	27
45675	Jiron/deGallego	Spain	SOME	5KRC4	14	23	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	27
42421	Gallegos	NMexicoUSA	X	DG6MC	14	23	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	27
N55980	Gallegos	Spain	X		14	23	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	27
56293	Gallegos	Spain	GENL		14	23	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	27	16	9	9	11	11	21	16	21	32	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	18	19	35	37	11	10
73478	Atencio	Spain	X		14	23	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	27	16	9	9	11	11	21	16	21	32	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	18	19	35	38	11	10
81198	Armijo	NMexicoUSA	PART	JST27	14	23	15	10	14	15	11	13	11	12	11	27	17	9	9	11	11	21	16	21	32	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	18	15	35	38	11	10

Another subgroup

Marker designations in blue


Kit No.	Surname	Ancestral.origin	Haplo Code	YSearch Link	393	390	19 (394)	391	385 a	385 b	426	388	439	389 i	392	389 ii	458	459 a	459 b	455	454	447	437	448	449	464 a	464 b	464 c	464 d	464 e	464 f	460	GATA H4	YCA IIa	YCA IIb	456	607	576	570	CDY a	CDY b	442	438	531	578	395 S1a	395 S1b	590	537	641	472	406 S1	511	425	413 a	413 b	557	594	436	490	534	450	444	481	520	446	617	568	487	572	640	492	565	441	461	463	445	452	YGATA A10	YGATA H4.1	462	GGAAT 1807	635
84956	Merrell	HuntingdonshEngl	SOME	59YZ4	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	8	9	11	11	23	16	22	32	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	17	18	35	37	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	11	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	14	8	12	202	22	19	12	11	13	10	11	11	11
156256	Fisher		X		14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	8	9	11	11	23	16	21	31	12	13	13	14			11	11	20	20	15	13	17	19	34	40	11	10
	Hennekens	Germany	?	YSZUK	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	15	8	9	11	11	23	16	22	31	12	13	13	14			10	12	20	20	15							10	11													14						13													22	10	27
161477	Walker		X		14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	8	9	11	11	23	16	23	31	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	16	18	36	37	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	11	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	14	8	12	22	22	19	12	11	13	11	11	11	11
128005	Walker	LancashEngland	X		14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	8	9	11	11	23	16	22	30	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	15	18	35	37	11	10
117723	Cousins	NIreland	X	M4B43	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	8	9	11	11	23	16	22	33	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	16	18	35	37	11	10
N2265	Mountjoy	DevonshEngland	PART		14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	8	9	11	11	24	16	21	32	12	13	13	14
50909	Adkins	USA	GENL	3FX78	14	22	15	10	14	15	11	13	13	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	17	17	35	38	11	10
99263	Scott	DevonshEngland	GENL	B7ANQ	14	22	15	10	14	15	11	13	13	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	31	12	13	13	14			10	10	20	20	15	13	17	17	36	38	11	11
50918	Wenzel/Vencl	Czechoslovakia	PART	NPN2K	14	22	15	10	14	15	11	12	11	12	11	30	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	33	12	13	13	14			10	10	20	20	15	13	16	19	36	37	11	10
105497	Timms	WarwickshEngland	PART	339ZT	14	22	14	10	13	15	11	13	11	12	11	29	17	9	9	11	13	23	16	21	30	12	13	13	14			12	10	20	20	15	12	16	16	35	36	11	10
	YHRDsample	CologneGermany	X		14	22	14	10	13	15	11			12	11	29	16						15	20									11			14							10																																								21
104488	Timms		GENL	6VJWP	14	22	14	10	13	15	11	13	11	13	11	30	17	9	9	11	13	23	16	21	30	12	13	13	14			11	10	20	20	15	12	16	16	35	36	11	10
N20311	CulbrethPollock		SOME	Q7U5D	14	22	14	10	12	15	11	13	12	13	11	30	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	29	12	13	13	13			9	11	20	20	16	13	16	18	36	38	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	12	11	8	11	11	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	13	8	12	20	22	19	12	11	13	10	11	11	11
N19417	Gouvea	MadeiraPortugal	X	46HQG	14	22	15	10	14	15	11	12	11	12	11	30

            *an asterisk indicates not enough markers are available to
                    determine if the sample truly belongs on this page.

Haplogroup SNP Testing Codes
                 Negative results irrelevant to the men on this page are not listed.
X - not tested
? - unclear what testing was or was not done
GENL - Was found M201+ ....this is only general G with no testing for any subgroups
PART - Was found P15+ (G2a) but never tested for any G2a subgroups pertinent to the men on this page
                                         such as U8+ or S126+ or L30+ (G2a3) and P303 (G2a3b1) and its subgroup(s)
SOME - was found positive for P15 (G2a) and for P303 (G2a3b1)
                             not tested for for subgroups of G2a3b1

Link to Haplogroup G Tree Structure