                                                        Haplogroup G2a Project
                              DNA Results and Groupings

                                                     G2a3b1 individuals (DYS388=13)
                                         on genetic branch 8E

The genetic branch 8E listed here is a name chosen to represent samples found along a branch of
a phylogenetic tree as created by special DNA software from Fluxus. The relationships shown on
the Fluxus network diagram are based on the various marker values of 67-marker samples with special
weighting given to the slower-mutating markers. Those persons in branch 8E will have unusually close
relationships with persons from other branches designated as 8, such as 8A. The availability of
additional samples may require renaming the branches, but persons closely related here will likely continue
clustering in future versions of the phylogenetic diagram.   Less closely related persons will tend to
move, and thus some caution has to be used in thinking of the branch listed here as anything more than
a helpful, but imperfect, way to try to subgroup G2a3b1 persons. Inclusion of samples with less than
67 markers on this page is based partially on guesswork, especially with regard to 12-marker samples.

The G2a3b1 status means the men will be positive in special SNP testing for general G (M201)
and G2 (P287) and G2a (P15) and for G2a3 (U8 or S126 or L30) and for G2a3b (L141) and for
G2a3b1 (P303)

The status of the men here with regard to the three subgroups of G2a3b1 is mixed. Earlier testing showed
that men within the DYS388= 13group are negative for U1 (G2a3b1a)  It is unknown how many men on this
page are positive for L42 (G2a3b1b) or for L139 (G2a3b1c). Being negative for all three subgroups would
constitute a group all to itself and designated as G2a3b1*.

For information on what is known of the origins of the overall DYS388=13 group and migrations and time
relationships to other G groupings link to the migration-time page

The YHRD database is a public database of samples collected from around the world as submitted by
scientists. When the DYS426 marker value is italicized, it is only predicted, but this value is the same in
virtually all G persons.

The men here with 14,15 values for DYS385 have matches in the YHRD database. However, DYS388
was not tested and it cannot be ruled out that the YHRD matches belong to DYS388=12 groups such
as the DYS568=9 group. The matches are from Leipzig and Chemnitz in Germany; from Sweden; from
northern and central Portugal; from Marche, Italy; and from Sao Paulo, Brazil.

Upgrading to 67 markers for deep ancestry purposes can be useful in helping to better establish
relationships and time calculations to a common ancestor. However, we now have a large number of
DYS388=13 samples, and the full 67 markers seem to have no specific use for them for deep
ancestry subgrouping here. However, the additional markers may be useful within a surname project in
establishing family branches. By way of exception, additional Italians and Hispanic men are needed
to upgrade to 67 markers in order to determine when they split from their cousins in northern Europe.

All tested persons in the DYS388=13 group have tested positive for the P303 SNP which characterizes G2a3b1.
The outcome of such testing for all the samples listed below is very predictable as P303+ and testing, in my
opinion, unnecessary.   SNP testing can be ordered as what is called the deep clade SNP test in the
haplotree section of the individual Family Tree DNA results page. P303 (G2a3b1) is included in this deep
clade test.

There is no hint that the persons on this page are positive for U1, which characterizes a subgroup
of P303 (G2a3b1a).   In earlier testing DYS388=13 samples are negative for U1. Little is known of the
coverage of the men on this page for L42 (G2a3b1b).   It is desirable that more persons on
on this page should test for it.    Little is known of the coverage of L139 (G2a3b1c) and confirmation that it
occurs within DYS388=13 persons would be desirable before additional persons test for this. These SNPs can
be ordered on the Family Tree DNA results page in the Order Tests section as an advanced test.  They will be
found at the top of the SNP list for $29US each. These tests will eventually be added to the G deep clade test.
Only one person from a surname group needs to test for SNPs as everyone else in the surname group will have
the same findings.

Results

Marker designations in blue


Kit No.	Surname	Ancestral.origin	Haplo Code	YSearch Link	393	390	19 (394)	391	385 a	385 b	426	388	439	389 i	392	389 ii	458	459 a	459 b	455	454	447	437	448	449	464 a	464 b	464 c	464 d	464 e	464 f	460	GATA H4	YCA IIa	YCA IIb	456	607	576	570	CDY a	CDY b	442	438	531	578	395 S1a	395 S1b	590	537	641	472	406 S1	511	425	413 a	413 b	557	594	436	490	534	450	444	481	520	446	617	568	487	572	640	492	565	441	461	463	445	452	YGATA A10	YGATA H4.1	462	GGAAT 1807	635
N14398	Hinkle	Russia	PART	DK8CS	13	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	12	13	11	30
E5514	Huesler	Switzerland	GENL	KEB58	13	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	12	13	11	30	15	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	34	12	13	13	14			10	10	20	20	15	13	17	17	36	37	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	11	14	22	22	13	10	12	12	14	8	13	21	22	18	12	11	12	10	11	11	12
E5282	Huesler	Switzerland	GENL		13	22	15	11	14	14	11	13	12	12	11	30	15	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	35	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	16	17	36	37	11	10
97400	Fletcher	NHampshireUSA	X	M8EJ2	14	22	15	10	14	15	11	13	13	12	11	30	17	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	17	17	35	37	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	10	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	15	8	12	21	22	19	12	11	13	11	11	11	12
112866	Heesom	YorkshireEngland	PART	ZWS9E	14	22	15	10	14	15	11	13	12	12	11	30	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	17	17	35	37	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	10	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	15	8	12	21	22	18	12	11	13	11	11	11	12
81150	Clair	KentuckyUSA	PART	N79MV	14	22	15	10	14	15	11	13	12	12	11	30	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	31	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	17	19	37	37	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	11	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	14	8	12	21	22	19	12	11	13	10	11	11	12
130838	Zanolli	Italy	X	JBEEG	14	22	15	10	14	15	11	13	12	12	11	30	17	9	9	11	11	24	16	21	30	13	13	14	14			10	10	20	20	15	13	15	18	38	38	11	10
106596	Kyle	NewYorkUSA	PART	2MBN4	14	22	15	11	14	15	11	13	12	12	11	30	17	8	9	11	11	23	16	21	30	12	13	13	14	14	15	11	12	20	20	16	14	16	20	36	37	11	10

Haplogroup SNP Testing Codes
             Negative r esults not pertinent to the men here are not listed
X - not tested
? - unclear what testing was or was not done
GENL - Was found M201+ ....this is only general G with no testing for any subgroups
PART - Was found P15+ (G2a) but never tested for any G2a subgroups pertinent to the men on this page
                                         such as U8 or S126 or L30 (G2a3) and P303 (G2a3b1) and its subgroup(s)
SOME - Was found P15+ (G2a) and P303+ (G2a3b1)
                                          not tested for U8 or S126 or L30 (G2a3) and subgroups of G2a3b1


Link to Haplogroup G Tree Structure