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                                                           Haplogroup G Project
                              DNA Results and Groupings

                                                                  Unclassifiable persons

The persons listed below do not have a sufficient number of markers to predict the group to which
they likely belong.  In most cases, the combination of values are possible ones that would be found
in more than one group.

In the case of Hollenbeck, he is a close match both to two persons in the Caucaus-like group as
well as one in the DYS568=9 group.  However, Hollenbeck tested negative and these two groups seem
to be within the boundaries of the P303+ groups.   Acker has DYS390=21 like so many men
in the P406+ group, but the rest of his markers suggest someone who is instead P303+.

As an example of the conflicting information about samples, the Singh sample has DYS388=13
which occurs only rarely outside of that group.  His 37 markers appear on a long branch extending
from the DYS388=13 group on phylogenetic diagrams.  But his DYS392 value as well as the
combination of DYS464 values are found overwhelmingly in G1 groups.

The research study samples are from Shlush, Liran L. et al., "The Druze: A Population Genetic
Refugium of the Near East," PLoSOne, May 2008, 3(5), pp 1-9.
The authors' DYS439 values are apparently calibrated differently from other labs. The actual
number is probably 12.  The absence of the DYS385 marker in this study is the key problem
preventing classification.  There are also multiple Druze samples similar to the one shown
below but with 15 (11?) for the DYS439 marker.  Research Study2 is F. Alshamali, "Local Population
Structure in Arabian Peninsula Revealed by Y-STR Diversity," Human Heredity , 2009, vol. 68(1),
pp 44-54. 

The YHRD database is a public database of samples collected from around the world as submitted by  
scientists.  When the DYS426 marker value is italicized, it is only predicted, but this value is the same in
virtually all G persons.

Recommended additional deep ancestry testing for men here with the interest and funds for this:

Because there are so few G2a*samples, upgrade to Family Tree DNA's 67 markers is always very useful in
determining proper relationships and for time calculations to common ancestors.  For deep ancestry purposes
only one person within a surname project needs the full 67 markers.  Additional testing within surname projects
might be indicated for more recent comparisons.

At Family Tree DNA for those tested there, in the haplotree section of a G2a* person's results page is listed 
also a deep clade test if he had not already been tested for all the G2a subgroups.  Presently, this will allow
testing of three of the four subgroups.  [And one of these was only recently added.  So it is very uncommon
now in April 2009 for anyone to have been tested for all four subgroups.]  The SNP for the fourth subgroup
was made available only days ago. 

So for complete testing one has first to order the deep clade test.  Then one would go to the Order Tests section
of the same results page.  There in the advanced tests section one will find toward the bottom in the G
section the SNP test L91 for $29US.   L91 is the SNP test for the G2a4 subcategory.  It is likely that L91
will be added in the future to the deep clade test.  It would then be less expensive overall to test for all
four categories. 

The deep clade test will check automatically for all presently known additional SNP categories relevant
to the men here if the person belongs to G2a1, G2a2 or G2a3.  G2a4 has no subcategories.  It is also
possible that one will be found truly negative for all G2a subgroups and thus just G2a*

                                                                                                                                     Marker designations in blue

Kit No.	Surname	Ancestral.origin	Haplo Code	YSearch Link	393	390	19 (394)	391	385 a	385 b	426	388	439	389 i	392	389 ii	458	459 a	459 b	455	454	447	437	448	449	464 a	464 b	464 c	464 d	464 e	464 f	460	GATA H4	YCA IIa	YCA IIb	456	607	576	570	CDY a	CDY b	442	438	531	578	395 S1a	395 S1b	590	537	641	472	406 S1	511	425	413 a	413 b	557	594	436	490	534	450	444	481	520	446	617	568	487	572	640	492	565	441	461	463	445	452	YGATA A10	YGATA H4.1	462	GGAAT 1807	635
N17202	Kossayian	Turkey	GENL	CKP7M	12	23	15	10	14	15	11	12	11	12	12	29
N54646	Marcos	Afghanistan	GENL		12	23	16	11	14	15	11	12	12	12	12	29
91986	Singh	India	GENL	HSUZR	12	22	15	10	15	15	11	13	12	12	12	28	16	9	10	11	11	23	16	22	28	11	14	14	14			10	`10	20	20	17	13	18	17	35	37	13	10
N33198	Mamary	Syria	GENL	E846W	12	23	15	11	14	15	11	12	11	12	11	31
36150	CortezVega	Spain	GENL		14	23	17	10	15	15	11	12	12	12	11	28
7407	Coats	IndianaUSA	X	7UDWZ	14	22	15	10	13	14	11	12	11	12	11	28
N26453	Sanders	WVirginiaUSA	GENL	36UKV	14	23	15	10	14	16	11	12	12	11	11	28
	Grischenko	scentralRussia	?	6ZM22	14	23	15	10	13	14	11	12	13	12	13	29
	Savage		?	XS4F8	14	23	16	10	13	14	11	12	13	12	13	29	17	9	9	11	12	26	16	22	27	12	13	13	14			12	11	20	20	15	14	17	21	34	37	12	10
	Savage		?	TZY68	14	23	16	10	13	14	11	12	13	12	13	29	17	9	9	11	12	25	16	22	27	12	13	13	14			12	10	20	20	15	14	17	19	34	37	12	10
N14888	Hollenback	VirginiaUSA	SOME	6N8ST	14	23	16	10	13	14	11	12	11	12	11	29
95067	Donis		X	4SYZS	14	23	16	10	14	15	11	12	11	12	11	29
51873	Acker		X	C64XD	15	21	14	10	14	14	11	12	12	12	11	28
139217	Filigenzi	Italy	X	52SVM	14	23	15	10	14	15	11	12	11	12	11	27
N71462	Conversa	Italy	X		14	23	17	10	13	15	11	12	11	12	11	29
N30310	Berardi	Italy	PART		15	22	15	10	14	16	11	12	11	12	11	29
N34381	Schoebi	Switzerland	PART	RCK9V	14	24	15	10	13	15	11	12	12	12	11	30
87083	Csurar	Romania	X	72K9V	15	22	15	10	13	15	11	12	12	12	11	28
N69003	Saba	Lebanon	GENL	FHXKW	15	23	15	10	15	16	11	12	12	12	12	28
	Salisbury/Peretta	Italy		SQ2BQ	13	22	15	10	13	15	11	12	12	12	12	29
N38522	Kapletia	India	PART	ZD836	13	22	15	11	13	15	11	12	12	12	11	29	15	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	28	12	12	13	13			11	10	20	20	14	13	18	17	37	37	12	10
	ResearchStudy 8 samples	Israel (Druze)	GENL		13	22	15	11			11	12	16	12	11	29																											10
N58445	Demontis	Sardinia Italy	GENL	NXQF7	13	23	15	10	14	15	11	12	13	13	11	28
N4444	Colicino	south Italy	GENL	RC9FC	13	23	14	10	14	16	11	12	11	12	11	30
N43746	Cigliano	Italy	GENL	MDMTC	13	23	16	10	16	18	11	12	13	14	11	30
35081	Cox	VirginiaUSA	GENL	XERTZ	14	20	15	10	11	16	11	12	12	12	11	28	19	9	9	11	11	23	16	22	32	12	13	13	14			10	11	19	20	16	12	17	18	34	36	10	10
	Bloching	Germany	?	HX39X	14	23	15	10	14	15	11	12	11	13	11	30	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	28	12	13	13	14			11	11	20	21	17	8	20	20	35	36	12	10
	Fallavollita	Italy	?	58NYB	13	22	16	10	14	14	11	12	11	10	11	27	19	9	9	11	11	24	16	22	26	12	13	13	16			10	10	20	20	17	12	18	18	34	37	11	10																				14			15								15	11	21	10	7	12		13	12	21
	Tommeraasen		?	Y2BPQ	14	22	15	10	14	16	11	12	11	14	12	31	17	8	9	11	12	23	16	22	28	12	13	14	14			9	10	19	20	15	15	15	17	33	36	11	10																				14			15								15	11	21	10	7	12		13	12	21
95915	Walker	NCarolina USA	X	wz2ax	14	22	15	10	12	15	11	12	12	12	11	28
N75346	Rigoli	Italy	GENL		15	23	14	10	14	14	11	12	11	12	11	28
	YHRDsample	LjuibljanaSlovak	X		14	22	15	10	12	15	11			12	11	28
	YHRDsample	BoyacaColombia	X		14	22	15	10	12	15	11		11	12	11	28
	YHRDsample	KrusevoMacedonia (Aromun)	X		14	22	15	10	12	15	11		12	12	11	28
	YHRDsample	Sao Paulo Brazil	X		14	22	15	10	12	15	11		14	12	11	28
	Turk		?	XQXRA	17	21	17	10	13	14	11	12	12	12	11	30	15	9	9	11	11	23	16	22	30	12	13	13	14
	Destro	Italy	?	A7MHZ	14	21	17	10	12	13	11	13	11	13	11	30	15	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	28	13	14	14	15			12	10	19	20	15						12	10																				13			17								14	11	20	10	6	11		13	10	21
N75641	Watson	Ireland	X		14	22	15	10	15	15	11	12	12	12	11	28																											10
	ResearchStudy2*	S.Portugal	GENL		13	22	15	10	12	15		12	12	12	11	28							16									11											10																12																11						12
	YHRD sample	Tambov Russia	X		13	23	15	10	13	14			11	12	11	29	17						16	19									12			17																																															21
159234	Mizrahi	Iraq	X	CYZ9Q	14	22	15	10	13	14	11	12	11	12	11	28	17	8	9	11	11	22	16	21	28	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	19	19	35	42	12	9
155678	Melik	Armenia	?	K8NWN	14	22	15	11	12	15	11	12	13	14	11	31	17	9	9	11	11	24	16	20	29	12	13	13	15			12	10	20	20	15	14	18	17	32	39	11	10	11	9	16	16	8	11	10	8	11	10	12	21	22	14	10	12	12	15	8	12	23	20	15	13	11	13	10	11	11	12

Haplogroup SNP Testing Codes
X - not tested 
? - unclear what testing was or was not done
GENL - Was found M201+ ....this is only general G with no testing for any subgroups
PART - Was found P15+ (G2a) but never tested for any G2a subgroups
SOME - Was found P15+ (G2a), but negative for P303, M406 and P16
LOTS - Was found P15+ (G2a), but negative for 2 of its subgroups P16 (G2a1) and M286 (G2a2)
                      not tested for the third subgroup (G2a3)
MUCH - Was found P15+ (G2a) but negative for its 3 subgroups
MORE -  Was found L30+ (G2a3) but not tested further.


Link to Haplogroup G Tree Structure