                                                        Haplogroup G2a Project
                              DNA Results and Groupings

                                                     G2a3b1 individuals (DYS388=13)
                                          on genetic branch 1M

The genetic branch 1M listed here is a name chosen to represent samples found along a branch of
a phylogenetic tree as created by special DNA software from Fluxus. The relationships shown on
the Fluxus network diagram are based on the various marker values of 67-marker samples with special
weighting given to the slower-mutating markers. Those persons in branch 1M may have unusually close
relationships with persons from other branches designated as 1, such as 1F. The availability of
additional samples may require renaming the branches, but persons closely related here will likely continue
clustering in future versions of the phylogenetic diagram.   Less closely related persons will tend to
move, and thus some caution has to be used in thinking of the branch listed here as anything more than
a helpful, but imperfect, way to try to subgroup G2a3b1 persons. Inclusion of samples with less than
67 markers on this page is based partially on guesswork, especially with regard to 12-marker samples.

The G2a3b1 status means the men will be positive in special SNP testing for general G (M201)
and G2 (P287) and G2a (P15) and for G2a3 (U8 or S126 or L30) and for G2a3b (L141) and for
G2a3b1 (P303)

The status of the men here with regard to the three subgroups of G2a3b1 is mixed. Earlier testing showed
that men within the DYS388=13 group are negative for U1 (G2a3b1a)  It is unknown if men on this page
are positive for L42 (G2a3b1b) or for L139 (G2a3b1c). Being negative for all three subgroups would constitute
a group all to itself and designated as G2a3b1*. Two man here (Kas & Curtis) were negative for L42 and
Kas was negative for the related L43.

For information on what is known of the origins of the overall DYS388=13 group and migrations and time
relationships to other G groupings link to the migration-time page
One man is set up as a separate subgroup because he had a rare multistep mutation of the DYS392
marker.

The Stugart sample was reported by the lab as P15- which is nonsensical. Curtis's DYS385a
value probably represents a multi-step mutation.

The YHRD database is a public database of samples collected from around the world as submitted by
scientists.    Because DYS388 was not tested, it cannot be ruled out that some belong to a DYS388=12
group such as DYS568=9. If the DYS426 value is italicized, it is only predicted, but virtually all G
persons have a value of 11 for this.

Recommended additional deep ancestry testing for men here with the interest and funds for this:

Upgrading to 67 markers for deep ancestry purposes can be useful in helping to better establish
relationships and time calculations to a common ancestor. However, we now have a large number of
DYS388=13 samples, and the full 67 markers seem to have no specific use for them for deep
ancestry subgrouping here. However, the additional markers may be useful within a surname project in
establishing family branches. By exception, there is a need for Italian and Hispanic men here to upgrade
to 67 markers so that it can be determined when their ancestors split from their cousins of northern
Europe.

All tested persons in the DYS388=13 group have tested positive for the P303 SNP which characterizes G2a3b1.
The outcome of such testing for all the samples listed below is very predictable as P303+ and testing, in my
opinion, unnecessary.   SNP testing can be ordered as what is called the deep clade SNP test in the
haplotree section of the individual Family Tree DNA results page. P303 (G2a3b1) is included in this deep
clade test.

There is no hint that the persons on this page are positive for U1, which characterizes a subgroup
of P303 (G2a3b1a).   In earlier testing DYS388=13 samples are negative for U1. Little is known of the
coverage of the men on this page for L42 (G2a3b1b).   It is desirable that more persons on
on this page should test for it.    Little is known of the coverage of L139 (G2a3b1c) and confirmation that it
occurs within DYS388=13 persons would be desirable before additional persons test for this. These SNPs can
be ordered on the Family Tree DNA results page in the Order Tests section as an advanced test.  They will be
found at the top of the SNP list for $29US each. These tests will eventually be added to the G deep clade test.
Only one person from a surname group needs to test for SNPs as everyone else in the surname group will have
the same findings.

Results

First subgroup

Marker designations in blue


Kit No.	Surname	Ancestral.origin	Haplo Code	YSearch Link	393	390	19 (394)	391	385 a	385 b	426	388	439	389 i	392	389 ii	458	459 a	459 b	455	454	447	437	448	449	464 a	464 b	464 c	464 d	464 e	464 f	460	GATA H4	YCA IIa	YCA IIb	456	607	576	570	CDY a	CDY b	442	438	531	578	395 S1a	395 S1b	590	537	641	472	406 S1	511	425	413 a	413 b	557	594	436	490	534	450	444	481	520	446	617	568	487	572	640	492	565	441	461	463	445	452	YGATA A10	YGATA H4.1	462	GGAAT 1807	635
82233	Coates	London England	PART	2DC42	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	12	12	13	13	14		10	11	20	20	16	12	14	19	36	38	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	11	14	20	22	14	10	12	12	16	8	12	22	22	19	12	11	13	11	11	11	12
101394	Bird	TennesseeUSA	PART	M9JD9	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	31	12	12	13	13	14	14	10	11	20	20	16	13	15	17	33	40	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	11	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	17	8	13	22	22	18	12	11	13	12	11	11	11
N37174	Stamp		X		14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	31	12	13	13	14	14
N35764	Rogers*		X		14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
137831	Rogers	CarolinaUSA	X	XSY5R	15	22	15	10	13	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	17	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	12	13	14	14			10	10	20	21	14	12	14	18	36	38	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	12	14	20	22	14	10	12	12	15	9	12	21	22	18	12	11	13	10	11	11	12
70891	Rogers	TennesseeUSA	GENL	RFKFD	15	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	17	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	12	13	14	14			10	10	20	21	14	12	14	18	36	38	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	11	14	20	22	14	10	12	12	15	9	12	21	22	18	12	11	13	10	11	11	12
	Snook	Newfoundland	?	EFPWV	15	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	17	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	12	13	14	14			10	10	20	21	14	12	15	17	36	36	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	11	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	15	9	12	21	22	19	12	11	13	10	11	11	12
84148	Eddy	RhodeIslandUSA	X	SVAG7	15	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	18	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	31	12	13	14	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	15	19	37	40	11	11
160650	Jones	Bahamas	GENL		15	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	12	12	11	28	17	9	9	11	11	23	15	20	32	12	13	13	14			11	11	18	20	15	13	15	16	36	39	11	10
26379	Asbell	KentuckyUSA	X	VDWXX	15	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	17	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	12	13	14	14			10	10	20	21	14	12	14	18	36	38	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	11	14	20	22	14	10	12	12	15	9	12	21	22	18	12	11	13	10	11	11	12
32949	Asbell	KentuckyUSA	X	HBXFH	15	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	17	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	12	13	14	14			10	10	20	21	14	12	15	18	36	38	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	11	14	20	22	14	10	12	12	15	9	12	21	22	18	12	11	13	10	11	11	12
105648	Kas	Netherlands	GENL	Y2ATD	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	24	16	21	31	12	13	13	14			10	10	20	20	14	12	16	17	36	36	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	11	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	15	9	12	21	22	--	12	11	13	10	11	11	12
82397	Chamberlin	DevonshEngland	PART	TM8TS	14	22	14	10	14	15	11	13	12	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	31	12	13	13	14
	YHRDsample*	StuttgartGermany	X		14	22	14	10	14	15	11		12	12	11	29																											10
	YHRDsample*	Finland	X		14	22	14	10	14	15	11		12	12	11	29																											10
	YHRDsample*	Nix Gxia China (Han)	X		14	22	14	10	14	15	11		11	12	11	29																											10
162101	Boyer	Switzerland	X		14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	12	12	13	13	14		10	11	20	20	15	13	15	18	36	37	12	10
24430	Robbins	SCarolinaUSA	X	V7DTC	15	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	15	18	36	37	12	10
24552	Steeley		X	U3FGM	15	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	15	18	35	39	11	10
89042	Steeley	PennsylvaniaUSA	X	6QQEZ	15	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	15	18	35	38	11	10	13	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	10	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	14	8	13	21	22	18	12	11	13	11	11	11	12
49478	Ruff	Switzerland	X	R49J2	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	15	18	35	39	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	11	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	16	8	13	21	22	17	12	11	13	11	11	11	12
54223	Stugart	Germany			14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	31	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	12	15	18	34	39	11	10
131414	Lopes	Portugal	X	A7KMR	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	22	31	12	13	13	14			10	10	20	20	15	13	16	18	34	37	12	11
75826	Wetzel		X		14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	31	12	13	13	15			10	10	20	20	15	13	15	18	36	38	11	10
79755	Wetzel	Germany	X	J6J8G	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	31	12	13	13	15			10	10	20	20	15	13	17	18	36	38	11	10
35848	Carroll		X	XZPZP	14	22	15	11	14	15	11	13	11	12	11	28	16	9	9	11	11	24	16	21	31	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	14	18	35	39	11	10
132701	Nowell		GENL	RQQCY	14	23	15	10	14	15	11	13	11	12	11	29	17	9	9	11	11	23	14	21	31	12	13	13	13	13	13	10	10	20	20	15	12	16	18	35	38	11	10
37878	Paul	KentuckyUSA	PART	2NDU6	14	23	15	11	14	15	11	13	11	12	11	28	16	9	9	11	11	24	16	21	31	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	14	18	35	40	11	10
48314	Paul	KentuckyUSA	PART	GADZ8	14	23	15	12	14	15	11	13	11	12	11	28	16	9	9	11	11	24	16	21	31	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	14	18	35	40	11	10
4484	Rose		PART	T9PNN	14	22	15	11	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	12	14	14	14			10	10	20	20	15	13	14	18	35	38	11	10
138396	Ellis		X		14	22	15	11	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	17	9	9	11	11	23	16	20	34	12	13	14	14			11	11	20	20	15	13	15	17	34	39	11	10
N14424	Navoyski		X		14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	31	12	13	13	14			10	11	20	20	15	13	15	18	35	38	11	10
32766	Copeland		X		14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	24	16	21	32	12	13	13	14
N21892	Benard*		SOME		14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
N26635	Deisher*	Germany	X	DY9KU	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
N70384	Farmbrough*		X		14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
N68981	Jeffers*		X	SKZQH	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
	Chiomento*	Italy	?	CPDP2	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
	Gantnier*	Germany	?	WXGJ4	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
N62626	Mastropasqua*	Italy	X	DJF99	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
N59516	Chapman*	MassachusettsUSA	X	J5KAY	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
N38307	JuulMoller*	Denmark	X	6M7AH	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
N38017	Phieler*		X	5FPYU	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
N36091	Hoppe*	Germany	X		14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
N35766	Heckel*		X		14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
N34213	Hepner*	Germany	X	JYB8Q	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
N26434	Ervin*		X		14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
75713	Horsey*		X		14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
45760	Greer*		PART		14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
	Brentt*	TexasUSA	?	AJKKX	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
41148	Boribon*		X		14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
N16227	Couch*	DevonshEngland	PART	GCY4E	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
N8090	Letsch*	Germany	X	DJMAC	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
E8576	Kupferschmid*		SOME		14	22	15	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
	YHRDsample*	RavennaItaly			14	22	15	10	14	14			11	12	11	29	17						16	21												15							10																																								20
	YHRDsample*	RavennaItaly			14	22	15	10	14	14			11	12	11	29	16						16	23												15							10																																								21
	YHRDsample*	CologneGermany			14	22	15	10	14	14			11	12	11	29	16						16	21												16							10																																								20
	YHRDsample*	CologneGermany			14	22	15	10	14	14			11	12	11	29	17						16	21												17							10																																								21

Second subgroup -- rare DYS392=13 value

Marker designations in blue

Kit No.

Surname

Ancestral.origin

Haplo
Code

YSearch
Link

393

390

19
(394)

391

385
a

385
b

426

388

439

389
i

392

389
ii

458

459
a

459
b

455

454

447

437

448

449

464
a

464
b

464
c

464
d

464
e

464
f

460

GATA
H4

YCA
IIa

YCA
IIb

456

607

576

570

CDY
a

CDY
b

442

438

531

578

395
S1a

395
S1b

590

537

641

472

406
S1

511

425

413
a

413
b

557

594

436

490

534

450

444

481

520

446

617

568

487

572

640

492

565

441

461

463

445

452

YGATA
A10

YGATA
H4.1

462

GGAAT
1807

635

N8629

Walton*

N27612

Walton*

PART

Third subgroup

Marker designations in blue

Kit No.

Surname

Ancestral.origin

Haplo
Code

YSearch
Link

393

390

19
(394)

391

385
a

385
b

426

388

439

389
i

392

389
ii

458

459
a

459
b

455

454

447

437

448

449

464
a

464
b

464
c

464
d

464
e

464
f

460

GATA
H4

YCA
IIa

YCA
IIb

456

607

576

570

CDY
a

CDY
b

442

438

531

578

395
S1a

395
S1b

590

537

641

472

406
S1

511

425

413
a

413
b

557

594

436

490

534

450

444

481

520

446

617

568

487

572

640

492

565

441

461

463

445

452

YGATA
A10

YGATA
H4.1

462

GGAAT
1807

635

N49092

Curtis/Cutro

Italy

SOME

CDQ24

Fourth subgroup DYS19=16

Marker designations in blue


Kit No.	Surname	Ancestral.origin	Haplo Code	YSearch Link	393	390	19 (394)	391	385 a	385 b	426	388	439	389 i	392	389 ii	458	459 a	459 b	455	454	447	437	448	449	464 a	464 b	464 c	464 d	464 e	464 f	460	GATA H4	YCA IIa	YCA IIb	456	607	576	570	CDY a	CDY b	442	438	531	578	395 S1a	395 S1b	590	537	641	472	406 S1	511	425	413 a	413 b	557	594	436	490	534	450	444	481	520	446	617	568	487	572	640	492	565	441	461	463	445	452	YGATA A10	YGATA H4.1	462	GGAAT 1807	635
117537	Crinion	Ireland	GENL	VQ2DB	15	22	16	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	17	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	30	13	13	14	15			10	11	20	20	15	13	15	18	35	40	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	11	10	15	21	22	14	10	12	12	16	9	13	21	22	99	12	11	13	10	11	11	12
61203	Lloyd*	Wales	SOME		15	22	16	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29
N36170	Snyder	Germany	PART	YTK5V	15	22	16	10	14	14	11	13	11	12	11	29	17	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	32	12	13	13	15			10	11	20	20	15	13	14	18	36	37	11	10

                     *an asterisk indicates insufficient markers are available
                       to determine if the person properly belongs on this page.

Haplogroup SNP Testing Codes
               Negative results not pertinent to this group are not listed
X - not tested
? - unclear what testing was or was not done
GENL - Was found M201+ ....this is only general G with no testing for any subgroups
PART - Was found P15+ (G2a) but never tested for any G2a subgroups pertinent to the men on this page
SOME - Was found P15+ (G2a) and P303+ (G2a3b1)
                                 not tested for U8 or S126 or S130 (G2a3)
                                 not tested for G2a3b1 subgroups

Link to Haplogroup G Tree Structure